General Curlie Issues
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Well, it seems that DMOZ has been experiencing unspecified hardware problems for more than a week. More than a week with editors unable to log in; more than a week with no updates whatsoever; more than a week without any ability to explain the problem or offer an estimated time for it to be remedied. I think this will be remembered as the week that DMOZ died. Even if the servers ever come back on line (which no one from DMOZ has been willing to predict), I think that what remaining credibility the directory had left is now gone. The open directory model is, however, too valuable to the Internet community to be lost, or more specifically, to allow it to be discre…
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I am not going to point fingers at anyone - but post more of a general concern and disappointment in the way some people carry themselves. After subscribing to this forum, I feel like I have to tread very carefully around the moderators and editors of the DMOZ website for fear of having a website never listed. The more I read, the more I feel like I will be neglected (perhaps even banned) if I ask about the status of a website. That being said. I've read some of the comments and conduct of the editors through portions of this forum and I see signs of abuse. Whether it is verbal abuse in the form of condescension, or abuse in the sense that they 'know' they have …
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Hi guys! I just got accepted as an editor. The username is: georgeb2008 I can not login however through the top-right corner of the main website. I enter the logon information exactly as I received it and it's not letting me in. I went through the 'Forgot Password' option and I got e-mailed the same password so I'm pretty sure I have the right user/pass. Why wouldn't it let me login ? Thank you, George
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First, let me preface my thoughts with these: 1. I refer to the editors as a group with the pronoun 'you'. This is in no way meant to imply that all are as I will note. There are exceptions to every rule. If the remark does not apply to you (specific), don't get in an uproar. 2. I understand that the editors are volunteers, and have other things to do (job, family, a life in general) and, most importantly, are not paid for what they do. I do not have any knowledge of their work load, paid or voluntary. 3. I'm not intending to make the editors mad, but merely to note my observations and get some answers to some not-so-unreasonable questions. If I in fact do make yo…
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http://www.site-reference.com/articles/General/Ineffective-DMOZ.html What they describe has not been my personal experience. I've always had positive and quick response to my web submissions. It's like they're describing an alternate universe. Oh well.
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This third most common of all questions in the forums, continues to baffle me. What are people expecting? Obviously people who ask it have not a clue about the ODP. "We list sites with unique content, so if you don't have any unique content, you need to add some!" is about the only kind of answer that a real ODP editor could ever give. But surely this is not what people are expecting! Well, knowledge of the ODP is rare enough: but I can't even understand the question based on the most common ignorant popular concepts of the ODP. For instance: there is the "ODP Editor As Competitoricide" -- all four million sites were editors' sites added by themselves. But -- sur…
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Will submitters ever able to check status? 1 2 3 4
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Hi. Quick question, does anyone know if submitters will ever get the option of checking their own status? It would seem rather logical and relatively simple to me. I submitted my first site about a month ago, and while I'd like to know the status of the submission, it's really a little too early post a request in the 'other' forum. In other words, I'd glady bother a machine to look it up, but I'll hold off on bothering living breathing people for a while. (Hmm... there's a Terminator joke waiting in there somewhere). LC
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Dear Editor/Reviewer, The reason everyone feels they should receive a response is because thats the normal professional courtesy of the business world today. Email has enabled communication to be FREE and very simple...basically a couple clicks with your mouse button. Common courtesy if a reviewer does not "accept" a suggested site would be to inform the one who submitted the site. I realize this takes time....probably about 15 seconds with a standard "not accepted" form letter. Maybe if it was clearer on the site submittal form that there is a "indefinite wait time" you would not have so many requests for a status check. Personally, this site is disheartening....t…
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Kind of like how Yahoo does it. Pay a few hundred dollars and get a priority review. Seriously.. use the money to pay editors to edit. Get things moving around here. We all have to agree that the current 2 minute - 2 year plus policy is utterly ridiculous. Internet years are similar to dog years, to many things change in two years time. I am not saying that this a solid buisness model but it's certainly foundation for a better system then the current one.
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I don't beleve more that my site http:http://www.rentit.it will include in the ODP. It is more than one year that I am waiting for. I saw FAQ, I checked everything many times and I am sure that the site has all charatteristics to be included. I understand that editors has a lot of work, but 1 year ....it is not serios. I am REALY deluse. Tati
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Site wiped out 1 2 3
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I am looking for a clarification on "submissions of the same or related sites may result in the exclusion and/or deletion of those and all affiliated sites." What constitutes a related site? I thought it was obvious, in that they could not have the same content or the same product. But I think I may be wrong???
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I know it's not possible to check on the status of site submissions per say but I was wondering if it was possible to know when to assume the answer has been no? Maybe x weeks after submission, if you haven't heard - or something like that. I submitted my site some weeks ago and have heard nothing, nor can I find my site in the ODP search. I do not know if I did the right thing - probably not - but I resubmitted today and was wondring how long it might take for a decision. Any help or advice is welcome.
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Can I get an official statement on what the purpose of the ODP is? Why does the ODP exist...what is the point?
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Reorganization and why dmoz human editing fails 1 2 3
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Human-only editing has reached it's limit. Many submitters vent frustration at the dmoz, not realizing editing continues to follow the same algorithmic laws that limit all computer programs based on trees. Human editing of the web is a losing proposition, even if based on the following highly dmoz favorable assumptions. Organization or reorganization of just 500,000 sites takes at least millions of node visits (following an nlog(n) vistation boundary (not exactly right (it's similar to a b*-tree) but it's close enough). A subcat with 4000 sites requires a least 12000 visits to remain somewhat organized (<1 year out of date). Assume that 5% of the websites becom…
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The idea that Google gives special love to sites listed in the Open Directory is an urban myth. But it is so prevalent that it seems worth starting a thread specifically to tackle this. I am therefore copying here a reply I made on another thread. Search engines do tend to use the Open Directory to seed their indexes, but that doesn't mean that they rank ODP-listed sites any higher than those not listed. In fact I don't know of any proof that any SE does. What does seem to be true is that all the major engines use backlinks in some way in their algorithms. So if a site has no links to it and then is listed in the ODP, that is likely to have a noticeable effect on its…
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Question 1 Does the submission rule that states "Do not submit any site with an address that redirects to another address" include domain names that redirect to home pages? Not for the intent to hide the actual address. Just for the purpose of having an address that is easier to remember. Question 2 I have one site at present that sells a product in bulk to a specific group of businesses. However, I plan to have a second site that sells the same product but in small quantities to individuals. The two sites would look very much alike and belong in the same category, but in different sub/categories. Would this be considered mirroring?
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Greetings. I would be most appreciative of some help and advice. My website, Respree.com, has been listed with DMOZ for the past four years. I've just noticed my DMOZ listing no longer exists. Upon investigation, it appears DMOZ has recently changed (reorganized) the category I was previously listed in, which in turn, has resulted in a change in the URL. I was previously listed at: Shopping > Visual Arts > Posters http://dmoz.org/Shopping/Visual_Arts/Posters/ The URL above no longer exists. It appears the new replacement category is at: Shopping > Visual Arts > Posters and Prints http://dmoz.org/Shopping/Visual_Arts/Posters_and_Prints/…
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ODP Should be DEAD? 1 2 3
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Questions: a) Anything that is not relevant and outdated on the web should be DEAD right? b) Why is ODP not dead yet ? c) Time spent by editors, where they choose to spend them are decided by themselves right? Why spend time when some categories are dead for years? d) Would it not be better if ODP is changed to something like Wiki?
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I know that editors surely do not need outside opinion on internal matters, but since that opinion has been welcomed in the past, and since this is a very important issue, I'll offer mine. Discontinuing the status check is in my view long overdue. I suspect that it started as a courtesy to submitters, but from what I can see it had become overrun and out of control. Hopefully those editors who fought the first line of defense in that forum can put their time to better use. Of course, the anti-ODP group will use the discontinuation as *proof* of whatever their most recent allegation might be. But hopefully, most will see through their argument. Good decision…
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I had my site added after about 11 months in the gamling/chats and forums section but the title was added a little funny, I wanted to have it changed but now I can not find my site on dmoz? I can't see that I may have done anything to cause an issue and would love to have my site located If anyone has a thought please let me know! Thanks Chris http://www.allfreechips.com
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ODP editors are not only slow The ODP is the only organization in the modern world that proudly puts out a customer service announcement like this one. How long should I wait before I resubmit? The simple answer is "forever". Not even with a wink. The ODP doesn't have a problem with speed; it has a problem with reality.
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Just a few words regarding the cardinal sin of submitting a duplicate site - and to see if editors are aware of the UK situation that has caused me a nightmare (and no doubt many others) and why I submitted a duplicate site to dmoz. I was in dmoz and at number 1 and number 8 on Google.com for my 2 main phrases. Then along comes Google.co.uk and I am nowhere - not even indexed. After some considerable time it turns out that this is because my host (the biggest in the world apparently) has servers based in Germany. Google then write and tell me to get another domain name with .uk This I do as they suggest and guess what Im penalised for a duplicate site - and…
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I have gotten my site listed in dmoz about 4 months ago. but I sent an email to the editor of my section suggesting that they change the description that they gave me ,as it does not fit my site. I have not heard back from anyone in at least a month, is this normal I don't know what to do... help anyone..
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My site http://www.glasshound.com used to be listed under: http://www.dmoz.org/Shopping/Antiques_and_Collectibles/China,_Porcelain,_and_Glass/ now it's gone....can somebody tell me why? thx... Blair
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Apologies in advance to all who have given up their time to assist in this project but this is the most annoying, frustrating, incomprehensible, stonewalling project I have ever come across. This, in itself, is not a problem, but there are so many search engines which seem to rank a DMOZ listing as important that for those of us who are left out it is maddening. And use of the word "Open" is a disgrace. The name should be changed to the Closed Directory Project, and here's why: You cannot be in the directory without approval (Closed) You cannot communicate with those who approve/don't approve in any meaningful way (Closed) You cannot find out who has approved/rejec…
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