A poorly represented business category

GeckoMonkey

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Hello All,

I work for a multi-disciplinary professional services firm. Demographically they are sometimes heaped into a statistical lump known as AEC firms, where AEC stands for Architecture, Engineering, and Construction. Whithin this "AEC" category fall sever disciplines such as:
  • Civil Engineering
  • Landscape Architecture
  • Urban Design
  • Architecture (buildings)
  • Land Planning
  • GIS (Geographical Information Systems)
  • Land Surveying and Mapping
  • Transportation Planning
  • Transportation Engineering
  • Traffic Engineering
  • Engineering Inspection

Firms that are classified into the AEC category are sometimes truly a single or primary discipline firm. Sometimes they can fit into a particular category like Environmental Engineering (trust me enviro-engineers and civil engineers don't know beans about each others line of work). In may cases, companies like mine, and there are several much larger than mine, are multi-disciplined and truly do not have a single specialized discipline.

This makes categorized index submission VERY difficult. To compound the issue, AEC-type business relies generally upon land development or in some cases re-development on a large scale to sustain itself. This usually means that to grow an AEC company you must create multiple offices in geographically disparate areas, which in Florida means that each office can only server a nine-county area (if counties were square) before another office is needed. In addition, AEC firms will sometimes do projects in places far away from their offices. This makes regional type listings and submissions difficult, because it would look like we were spamming a directory to put listings for each fairly autonomous office in for submission.

Lastly, the AEC industry, is not very web/SEO-saavy. That's not to say we're not smart, but merely that due to both the nature of their work, and the marketing demographic of their client base, web based marketing is not a priority for most firms. Sure they almost all have web sites, but they are mostly "yellow page" ads, for giving our phone number in case somebody lost a business card. To wit most are incorectly listed in Yahoo, and very few are listed in the DMOZ (none of my company's direct competitors are).

So, I've been trying to get listed on the DMOZ for a long time, and while I have never received an email from an editor, I have a sneaking suspicion that the issue has to do with the categories I tried. Editors may have reviewed my site when submitted to Engineering type categories, and felt it better suited Planning, or perhaps Landscape Architecture and vice-versa.

I propose a new Land Development / AEC category to accomodate this class of company / web site.
  1. Multi-Discipline and Multi-Service Sector
  2. Multi-Locational
  3. Under/Miss-Representation is proof of concept.

If prompted, I can give several examples of companies sites just from my own limited exposure.

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spectregunner

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Let's change from the specific to the generic.

You've invented a new fruit, the "bangoon" and think there should be a category for it.

Well, so do we, but only if there are enough sites to support a category. Otherwise we put it in the next logical category above, in this case "Fruit"

As editors, we have to be careful that the new 'bangoon" is not just a bananna that has gone thought some public relations spin and a sexy rename.

As one meta editor has repeatedly said (paraphrasing) "the sites make the category, the category does not make the site"

So, where does this leave you: If you can identify 3-5 sites that are not already listed (or are listed and are grossly miscategorized) then feel free to put that ianto a posting and someone will take a look at it. It will not be an interactive process - it will be brought to our internal discussion area where it will be dissected and discussed 17 ways from Sunday, and at some point a concensus will be reached. Some such discussions have taken very, very long times, as there are many points of view to consider, along with the impact on other parts of the directory tree. Sometimes a simply-sounding suggestion can trigger a much larger, more global change that could take longer to implement than one could imagine.

Bottom line: provide the seed in terms of sites that match the concept and it will be taken indoors and watered regularly.
 

GeckoMonkey

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Representative samples of the species "bangoon".. ;-)

Thank you for the quick and reasonable reply. I fully appreciate the Butterfly Effect of seemingly innocuous changes such as a category addition.

Some representative samples of the species bangoon:


www.urscorp.com
They do everything in the book, ranked #1 in the ENR 500 and are the biggest in the US. Listed in NASDAQ as "URS". Their US Headquarters are in San Francisco, but they are listed in the following categories:

Regional: North America: United States: Virginia: Localities: N: Newport News: Business and Economy

Business: Energy and Environment: Environment: Engineering: Consulting​

More examples:
  • www.ch2m.com - 7-entries (#5 in ENR 500)
  • www.pbsj.com - No entries 3,900-employees, 75-offices internationally
  • www.kimley-horn.com - No entries, 2000-employees, 50-offices
  • www.wadetrim.com - 1-entry, pidgeon-holed as civil engineering, but known for Planning and Landscape Architecture
  • www.georgefyoung.com - 1-entry, 7-offices, smaller firm, but does Surveying, Planning, and Architecture, and Landscape Architecture, in addition to the Civil Engineering category they are currently in.
  • www.genesisgroup.com - no entry, 5-offices in 2-states, 150-employees, they do Surveying, Planning, and Urban Design, GIS, and Landscape Architecture, Transportation Engineering, and Civil Engineering (my firm)

I would be willing to voulunteer to be an editor for this proposed category, should manpower be an issue. I have been an IT manager in this industry for more than 13 years.
 

spectregunner

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I would be willing to voulunteer to be an editor for this proposed category, should manpower be an issue. I have been an IT manager in this industry for more than 13 years.

Thanks for the posting and thanks for the offer.

There is no fast path to bcoming an editor, even in a potentially brand new category.

A personal suggestion:

Pick a small subcategory somewhere in Regional (fewer than 50 listed sites) or maybe something like Business/Construction_and_Maintenance/Consulting/Multi-Discipline/ or even any of the subcategories under Business/Energy_and_Environment/Oil_and_Gas/Consulting/ (except Management_and_Financial) and craft an application. Treat it as if it were a job application -- for that is what it is. Everyone here starts at the bottom and gains responsibility with experience. with experience comes the permission to edit in broader, more complex categories. There isn't a single editor here who did not start out that way, and it build a solid foundation for future editing.
 

GeckoMonkey

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Thank you...I did!

spectregunner,

Thank you for your time and suggestions. I did just what you suggested.

What we’re saying today is that you're either part of the solution or you’re part of the problem.
-- Eldridge Cleaver (1935 - ), Speech in San Francisco, 1968​
 

nea

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Welcome aboard, GeckoMonkey :)
 
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