Can I "Edit" clients listing information?

thall89553

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I was so relieved today to see that my client's web site is listed in DMOZ. Yahoo! What I did notice though is the title for the link and the description leaves a little to be desired. Can this be changed? Is it an ardous task to do so. They are listed as this:

Tasty Tuscany - Cookery, wine tasting and art courses held close to Pisa. What's offered, photographs, background, pricing and guestbook.

I'd like them to be listed at this:

Tuscany Cooking School - Italian Cooking School in the heart of Tuscany Italy offering cooking classes in a Tuscan Farmhouse Villa.

I think you would agree this latter is far more appropriate, no?

PS Also, as a registered user of this forum, how can I go and check for every post I have ever made. ARe they listed someplace?
 

oneeye

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I think you would agree this latter is far more appropriate, no?
No.

Title = Title of the site
Description = What the site is about. What content is on the site.

That is the way we do it...
 

thall89553

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?

oneeye said:
No.

Title = Title of the site
Description = What the site is about. What content is on the site.

That is the way we do it...

The way "you" do it? When you say the "Title" is the title of the site, are you saying that the title is the domain name? Or are you saying that the "Title" is the title of the page on the web site (ie, <title> tag). If the latter, that would be a bit hard as many sites have different titles from page to page. Now as my clients site's domain is Tastytuscany.com, don't you think a better "Title" would be "Tuscany Cooking School" as that is what they do. TastyTuscany, concatenated like that in now way implies Cooking School.

My experience to date with your organization has been limited but I am becoming aware of one thing. Often times, your representatives are so much on the defensive that a suggestion such as this that may help DMOZ gets swept under the rug as "you all know better", or that is how it seems sometimes. Don't get me wrong, I love you guys, I really do. Just sometimes..
 

pvgool

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Title is either the name of the company or the name of the website.
Title is never what the company does.
So in this case "Tasty Tuscany" is the right title to use according to ODP guidelines.
 

motsa

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The way "you" do it? When you say the "Title" is the title of the site, are you saying that the title is the domain name? Or are you saying that the "Title" is the title of the page on the web site (ie, <title> tag). If the latter, that would be a bit hard as many sites have different titles from page to page. Now as my clients site's domain is Tastytuscany.com, don't you think a better "Title" would be "Tuscany Cooking School" as that is what they do. TastyTuscany, concatenated like that in now way implies Cooking School.
The name of the site is Tasty Tuscany so that's what we would use. "Tuscany Cooking School" is a description of what the site's about, not the name of the site.

My experience to date with your organization has been limited but I am becoming aware of one thing. Often times, your representatives are so much on the defensive that a suggestion such as this that may help DMOZ gets swept under the rug as "you all know better", or that is how it seems sometimes. Don't get me wrong, I love you guys, I really do. Just sometimes..
We get defensive when people ask to have inappropriate titles and descriptions (or argue when we try to explain why the title and description they have won't be changed). Your suggestion in your first post is not to help DMOZ but to help the site place better in searches and that's not what we're about.
 

thall89553

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Okay, fair enough, point well made. So if my client's name was Tasty Tuscany Cooking School, that is what would be listed? Ok, again, fair enough. Now, insofar as editing some of the textual description, can that be done? If so, is it a several month process to do so? I hope you don't mind me asking the questions, I am only trying to better familiarize myself with your reputable organization.
 

hutcheson

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>Now, insofar as editing some of the textual description, can that be done?

No.
 

spectregunner

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What we really have here is two groups of people looking at a single thing (the directory) from two entirely different perspectives.

You want titles and descriptions on your client sites that will drive traffic to the sites. There is nothing wrong with that, you are just doing your job.

Our job, on the other hand, is to build a directory that (first and foremost) serves the prople who use the directory.

To an extent that makes us partners, and to an extent that puts us at cross-purposes.

If you have a client who has a site that contains unique information not found elsewhere on the web, then we are probably intersted in listing it. At a minimum, we'll take a look at it. We'll even let you suggest a title and a description. Once you have done that, in our minds, the partnership is concluded. You have done everything that we are willing to let you do.

Now, after some time passes (2 hours to more than two years) we will look at the site you suggested. We will look at the title, and in the off chance it complies with our guidelines, we will use it. Different parts of the directory have different guidelines, and we don't expect submitters to keep up with our internal minutia, so if we have to change it (and we usually do) we have to change it and there are no hard feelings.

The same thing with the descritption. We are looking for third-person descriptions that dispassionately describe (for the directory user) what they are likely to find on their site. We are not particuarly intersted in describing the company, its markets, its vision, its leadership, its strategic advantage, its chariman/founder or what is being served in the cafeteria today. We describe the website. We don't use exclaimation points. We avoid puffery (there go all the descriptive adjectives). We don't have a need to promote anything. This is where we are at cross purposes. We don't try to drive our directory sufers anywhere -- we think that, given good titles and descriptions, they can figure out where they want to go on their very own.

As an experiment, I've been keeping track of the URL updates that I process. While my sample size is still too small to be statistically valid, I can tell you that I approve (in all or part) fewer than 5% of all updates that are submitted. If someone is suggesting a title or description change, the percentage I accept is probably fewer than 2%. Looking at my coding sheet, the main reason for rejection is reason "#1 -- Attempted to keyword stuff title and/or description."

As an editor, I feel absolutely no obligation to let anyone who is not an editor presume to start trying to "tweak" the titles and descriptions in the categories where I am allowed to edit. Not would I expect any listed URL to allow me to start redesigning their websites.

Hope you find this perspective useful.
 
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