Can I submit multiple pages from my site?

I just had my main page added to the ODP for a site that is a directory of celebrity sites. Can I submit the pages for individual celebrities. For example one page is Beyonce Knowles and it lists sites that are dedicated to her. I feel that a lot of surfers would be looking for a list of sites for individual celebrities and would miss out on the service I am providing if only the main page is listed. However I do not want to be accused of spamming so that is why I am asking before submitting the pages. Thanks in advance.

From your description of your site contents, it would seem unlikely that deeplinks would be accepted, since links to other sites are not considered as 'valuable unique content'. It would be helpful if you could post your site here so that we can see exactly which pages you are talking about, but don't get your hopes up! You'll probably have to be content with getting your directory listed at all - that's becoming a rarer and rarer event as the ODP increases in size and scope.

I have almost the same problem, There are 29 pages I've built for my colleagues (translators)and there are another 30 or more colleagues on the waiting list). The fees go to an Italian charity (caring about deaf-blind) and my colleagues were happy to help but all the same they should like to be listed individually. The sites are all different from each other, of course, some even in two or three languages. I've started submitting the pages some months ago, but reading these posts makes me uneasy as I've noticed that some of my submissions never made it to the ODP (but I can't be sure you received them as I have problems with my firewall). Can I submit again those left out or is it spamming?
Thank you.
Valeria Vernon

@freecelebpics and vernondata:

It's much easier for us to give you advice if you give us the URLs of the sites you're talking about, and maybe the categories concerned.

The category: http://dmoz.org/World/Italiano/Affari/Servizi_alle_Imprese/Traduzione_e_Interpretariato/Professionisti/ or the equivalent in English (depending on the page)
The site: www.e-passport.it I set it up for one-page multilingual minisites and as a matter of fact I have a couple of clients there (cason and debem in polish) plus a client who started it all by giving me 500 dollars for that charity. The next year I didn't feel like asking money again so I asked my colleagues who agreed to pay between 20 to 100 euros a year. In that way the carity gets regular money instead of a sum once in a while. My provider gave me 25 Mb extra space free of charge for this, including all services. The translator's sites are: ada_daria_scrimieri, ada_prisco, algo, amtrad_services, annalisa_cimmino, cinzia_pieri, cuppari_traduzioni, europa93, flaadt_traduzioni, francesca_marchei, gdlingue, graham_cole, hungarian_translations, laura_fenati, lorenzo_martinelli, marco_massignan, maria_elena_tondi, maria_teresa_cattaneo, marina_minute, maureen_young, mihaela_maricescu, paola_mariani, silvana_pagani, simona_vio, studio_inglese, tolmach, toska, ursula_leichtl and viviana_fernandez, all of them have independent directories (no main list). I did not submit the pages for one or two of them who have their own sites. I know, it would be a lot of work for you, but if I can help to get them 'on board' ... I see that there are only two on the list: www.e-passport.it/michaela_maricescu and www.e-passport.it/cuppari_traduzioni plus hungarian_translations here: http://dmoz.org/Business/Business_Services/Translation/Multiple_Language/Europe/Hungary/
and maria_elena_tondi here:http://dmoz.org/Business/Business_Services/Translation/Single_Language/English_and_Italian/
If you need me, I would volunteer as an editor (I no longer translate but have been in the business for about 15 years).
Regards
Valeria Vernon

I should like to know what is your opinion on whether I can submit my colleagues sites.

Thank you!

Valeria Vernon

Similar Problem

Hello,

I have a similar problem as well. My primary URL is http://www.glidemagazine.com/ and is currently waiting review in http://dmoz.org/Arts/Entertainment/Publications_and_Media/Magazines_and_E-zines/.

However, there is a section of the site that is significantly different http://www.glidemagazine.com/downloads.php and really belongs in the following category

http://dmoz.org/Arts/Music/Sound_Files/MP3/Downloads/

Is this something that would be acceptable?

Thanks for your advice.

Brian

I have not looked at your sites, but here is a broad generalization:

In very, very few instances do editors agree with submitters with regards to deep linking within web sites. In the earlier days of DMOZ/OPD deep linking was a much more frequent occurance, but it occurs with increasingly less frequency now.

Part of this has to do with perspective. To a shoemaker, high heels and rain boots are entirely different things and may warrant separate links. To ODP editors, it is all just footware, and warrants a single link.

Now, if the shoemaker also has an apple orchard, we would give that some serious thought. Thus, a site that deals with celebrities, in our opinion, is a celebrities site. While Justin, Brittany and Michael may, in your opinion, be vastly different subjects, to us much less so.

These is also another issue that you need to be concerned with. Inappropriately/aggressively submitted deep links are, in the eyes of many editors, just antoher form of directory spam, and can be dealt with harshly.

I'll try and look at your sites later today or tonight.

spectregunner said:

I have not looked at your sites, but here is a broad generalization:

In very, very few instances do editors agree with submitters with regards to deep linking within web sites. In the earlier days of DMOZ/OPD deep linking was a much more frequent occurance, but it occurs with increasingly less frequency now.

Part of this has to do with perspective. To a shoemaker, high heels and rain boots are entirely different things and may warrant separate links. To ODP editors, it is all just footware, and warrants a single link.

Now, if the shoemaker also has an apple orchard, we would give that some serious thought. Thus, a site that deals with celebrities, in our opinion, is a celebrities site. While Justin, Brittany and Michael may, in your opinion, be vastly different subjects, to us much less so.

These is also another issue that you need to be concerned with. Inappropriately/aggressively submitted deep links are, in the eyes of many editors, just antoher form of directory spam, and can be dealt with harshly.

I'll try and look at your sites later today or tonight.

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What a task, typing all these names!
I've prepared for you a page from where you can click to see any of them. It's here: http://www.e-passport.it/spectregunner.html. Tell me when I can cancel it.
On an impulse of generosity, I also applied to be an editor in one of the translators' categories just to help you, but fortunately they refused, the answer arrived like a pingpong ball in less that 15 minutes, pfft

Thank you and best regards

Valeria

spectregunner said:

I have not looked at your sites, but here is a broad generalization:

In very, very few instances do editors agree with submitters with regards to deep linking within web sites. In the earlier days of DMOZ/OPD deep linking was a much more frequent occurance, but it occurs with increasingly less frequency now.

Part of this has to do with perspective. To a shoemaker, high heels and rain boots are entirely different things and may warrant separate links. To ODP editors, it is all just footware, and warrants a single link.

Now, if the shoemaker also has an apple orchard, we would give that some serious thought. Thus, a site that deals with celebrities, in our opinion, is a celebrities site. While Justin, Brittany and Michael may, in your opinion, be vastly different subjects, to us much less so.

These is also another issue that you need to be concerned with. Inappropriately/aggressively submitted deep links are, in the eyes of many editors, just antoher form of directory spam, and can be dealt with harshly.

I'll try and look at your sites later today or tonight.

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To this end :
I have recently taken ove development of a site (http://www.almanzora.com) that is primarily a real estate site. I have just submitted this to a regional category.
While the site mainly deals with property in a specific region of spain, there is a section that covers golf at a course in that area.
At the moment the site is built with frames (yuk!) so it may not be possible to link it effectively anyway. Hopefully I will be able to talk the client into letting me remove the frames from the site and tidy it up a bit.

foamcow, do you have a question that you'd like answered, or was that a general comment?

Alucard said:

foamcow, do you have a question that you'd like answered, or was that a general comment?

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Oops.. in all the excitement I didn't make that clear. I do apologise.

Yes, my question is, would it be ok to submit the golf pages to the directory under a suitable category as well as the main site in the regional real estate category?

@bpiccolo

At first sight I'd say that this deeplink is not acceptable. It may be different from the rest of your site, but what we take into consideration is what it would add in terms of unique content to the mp3 category. Unless the mp3s you offer can't be found on any of the sites already listed it probably doesn't add much (or anything at all, no offense intended ).

Thanks for your reply. No offense taken

@foamcow

At first sight the golf page would be listable, the content is quite distinct from the real estate content, it's almost a site on it's own.

The question however is which site presenting this Golf course should be submitted, since there's more than one: http://www.golfcompeticion.com/copadelrey/ and http://www.mojacaronline.com/018/ . I think the latter one would be more suitable for http://dmoz.org/Sports/Golf/Courses/Europe/Spain/ , as the first one focusses on the competition and not the course.

BTW, golfcompeticion.com/copadelrey/ doesn't seem to work in Mozilla/Netscape. That's not a reason not to list the site, but maybe you're interested to know that.

senox said:

@foamcow

At first sight the golf page would be listable, the content is quite distinct from the real estate content, it's almost a site on it's own.

The question however is which site presenting this Golf course should be submitted, since there's more than one: http://www.golfcompeticion.com/copadelrey/ and http://www.mojacaronline.com/018/ . I think the latter one would be more suitable for http://dmoz.org/Sports/Golf/Courses/Europe/Spain/ , as the first one focusses on the competition and not the course.

BTW, golfcompeticion.com/copadelrey/ doesn't seem to work in Mozilla/Netscape. That's not a reason not to list the site, but maybe you're interested to know that.

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Thanks for that.
I have "inherited" this site from someone else. At the moment it is horribly coded and I am suprised any of it works in Mozilla!
The competition is actually an external site beyond my control but I was asked to put a link to it from the main Almanzora site.
The Desert Springs course is owned by the property developer whose site I am now looking after.
Once I get the site out of frames (client allowing) and rewrite it a bit then I will see about submitting the golf section. Perhaps it could be a separate site actually. That would make some sense.

Thank you again.

spectregunner said:

Part of this has to do with perspective. To a shoemaker, high heels and rain boots are entirely different things and may warrant separate links. To ODP editors, it is all just footware, and warrants a single link.

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I have a similar situation, so this conversation is very interesting to me. If I may, I have a couple of comments.............

Spectregunner, your point is well taken. But what I'd reply is that DMOZ doesn't simply have catagories like "footware". You run a directory that contains highly specific listings for things such as high heels and rain boots under the main 'footware' heading. AND that asks webmasters to place their sites in the catagory the are as specific as possible. The difficulty is that it doesn't always provide a good description of the site as a whole to the viewers who may be looking for specific things.

As I say, this topic intersts me because (frankly) I run a site that covers a wide range of topics. Some of my sections could easily stand alone and unique sites, in fact.

John_Caius said:

From your description of your site contents, it would seem unlikely that deeplinks would be accepted, since links to other sites are not considered as 'valuable unique content'.

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I'm curious about that. Many sites listed in resource or directory catagories, yet they are almost 100% links to other sites. (If my site is accepted, it's 75% links to other sites because providing those links is a large part of the focus of my site) So can someone give a quick explanation of what would be considered "unique content"?

Dyan said:

But what I'd reply is that DMOZ doesn't simply have catagories like "footware". You run a directory that contains highly specific listings for things such as high heels and rain boots under the main 'footware' heading.

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Yes. That is for sites that specialize in high heels. They are not for sites that happen to contain some content about high heels.

Dyan said:

AND that asks webmasters to place their sites in the catagory the are as specific as possible.

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Yes. Their SITES. Not their PAGES.

Dyan said:

The difficulty is that it doesn't always provide a good description of the site as a whole to the viewers who may be looking for specific things.

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No. It provides a good description of the site as a whole. It doesn't -- and doesn't attempt to -- provide any description at all of every PAGE in the site. That is for search engines, site maps, site searches, and such tools. Can you imagine how many millenia YOUR site would be waiting for a site review, if the ODP had started by reviewing every page of the large sites which you hope to compete with, before reviewing yours? So be content with one listing THIS millenium, because that is what a human-edited directory can do.

Dyan said:

I'm curious about that. Many sites listed in resource or directory catagories, yet they are almost 100% links to other sites. (If my site is accepted, it's 75% links to other sites because providing those links is a large part of the focus of my site) So can someone give a quick explanation of what would be considered "unique content"?

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Yeah, it's what's not already in another site already listed in those categories.

We might look at all those links, and add the worthwhile ones to the ODP, in which case your site becomes 0% unique -- but you've contributed to the ODP (which is our goal) and you've promoted the sites you link to (which is presumably your goal).

Or we might just look at the number of links, and compare that with the number of links we (or other directories) already have. If we have substantially more links already, then we might just delete the submittal as being "of no use." [I've argued elsewhere that in the presence of several other, more comprehensive directories, a new directory actually has significant NEGATIVE value for both surfers and advertisers. You'd have to have significant uniqueness of some kind to overcome that deficit, before even beginning to earn the right to be listed. The chances of you being able to do that alone are ... miniscule.]

Hi, my domain www.holiday-rentals.uk.com has being listed in DMOZ.. yay! It is listed under the region where my office is based, which is good, BUT, I was wondering if I could submit two or three other pages, i.e.

I have a lot of properties in Spain, and Florida, and wondered if I you think that I would stand any chance if I was to submit for these regions.

Also I have a travel shop, so when holidaymakers book their accommodation, they can book their travel insurance etc. Would I be able to submit my travel insurance page? It might first appear to be affiliates, but the companies signing up (only 2 at the moment) are paying clients, and I'm not excepting more then 6 companies.

What are your thoughts?

Thanks, Darren

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You'd have to have significant uniqueness of some kind to overcome that deficit, before even beginning to earn the right to be listed. The chances of you being able to do that alone are ... minuscule.]

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The meaning of 'significant uniqueness' escapes me and not only me because otherwise we wouldn't be discussing here whether we can submit or not. Until now I saw abstract definitions which are interpreted in many ways, which means that being listed becomes almost winning a lottery.
I thought that the ultimate purpose of ODP was to inform. Now if a site contains information on say, 3 different sectors, there should be no doubt on whether each sector should be allowed to appear in three different directories or not.
Nobody better than the site owner or the webmaster can make the difference - because the first knows exactly what his products are and the second because he/she has studied them thoroughly before creating the site, that's a least what I do.

Not that I am saying here that editors don't know their job, not at all, I am saying only that they have a definition of unique content that is too abstract and they must apply it to something 'material'. Being listed or not is not an abstraction, it is very but very material and these rigid rules are obtaining results that I don't think were ODP's scopes.

Now, you would say, what is YOUR definition of unique content? I'll try to give one from my point of view as a surfer and not as a webmaster or site owner. Unique content is when there is no alternative. Hotel accommodation is not an alternative to travel insurance, so if I am looking for a hotel in Spain I would like to find all possible hotels, and if I am looking for travel insurance I expect to be able to see everything's that's available and not miss a site because this site is listed in the hotels section and is not allowed to submit in the insurance section as well. Please note that I have nothing to do with the person who spoke of hotels and insurance, my problem regards a number of translators even if they are translators they are not alternatives, they offer completely different services, different languages, different specialities, and even different regions. I think we should be able to submit to different or even to the same directory (like in the case I just mentined) and provide a short and exhaustive explanation.

Honest, clear multiple submissions should be accepted and the editors would then be able to use their time more profitably, that is checking that nobody spams otherwise one would think that being able to offer two, three or more different products, developping one own's business is regarded as something that must be punished, which is not ODP's intention I hope.

Valeria