Can't Edit - Category Disappeared

toroandbruin · Mar 14, 2005

One of our Websites has important changes so I tried to edit the DMOZ listing. The first step is to go to the category it is in but that section has reorganized and the category is gone! I searched on the Website's name to see if it had been put elsewhere but could not find it. However, I can't be sure it is gone because sometimes sites which are in the Directory have not been found via a search. I used the "Submit" form to type in a message explaining the problem but got no reply. I don't want to resubmit something which may still be there. And I even more strongly don't want to leave the old listing with wrong information. Any suggestions?

arubin · Mar 14, 2005

URL of the web site, and/or the category it was listed in? We may be able to find where the category was moved to....

toroandbruin · Mar 14, 2005

The old website name was OTCBB Leaders and it was under the domain name OTCBBleaders.com.

To reflect the changing investment landscape, the site name has changed to Microcap Leaders and the new domain name is MicrocapLeaders.com.

OTCBBleaders.com used to be under the now defunct category "Business>Investing>Stocks and Bonds>Investment Research>Specialties> Penny Stocks".

BTW, I have tried looking under a couple of new, logical categories: "Business>Investing>Stocks and Bonds>Small Cap Stock Research" and "Business>Investing>Research and Analysis".

bobrat · Mar 14, 2005

http://OTCBBleaders.com was removed last year, as it was found you have another site already listed in ODP.

http://MicrocapLeaders.com is not eligible for a listing for the same reason.

toroandbruin · Mar 14, 2005

We manage a whole bunch of Websites! Over the last decade they've probably all been submitted (not necessarily accepted) by somebody-or-other at one-time-or-another. I hadn't realized DMOZ was limited to one site per Webmaster. Which is the one that is currently listed?

spectregunner · Mar 14, 2005

Better yet, provide us with a list of all you own, and we will deterine which is the best candidate for listing.

toroandbruin · Mar 14, 2005

RE:Better yet, provide us with a list of all you own, and we will deterine which is the best candidate for listing.

Can't do that. Unfortunately, it is a question of making our clients, or our best-paying client, happy. Regardless of what you (or I) might judge as the most-worthy Website, it is the clients who are paying for the whole Web structure and what they say goes.

oneeye · Mar 14, 2005

Can't do that. Unfortunately, it is a question of making our clients, or our best-paying client, happy. Regardless of what you (or I) might judge as the most-worthy Website, it is the clients who are paying for the whole Web structure and what they say goes.

Then we cannot answer your question. Though you do realise that breaching DMOZ guidelines by submitting multiple related sites can get them all excluded. Should we elect not to invoke that sanction we will list whatever site we deem most suitable and are not in the least interested in your client's view of that; when it comes to DMOZ, what we say goes.

pvgool · Mar 14, 2005

That's OK with us. But don't blame us for listing the site we think is most appropriate.
Both sites mentioned above will never be listed, and neither will any of the other sister sites except for the one already listed.

toroandbruin · Mar 14, 2005

If you can't tell me what other site is listed I suppose I will just have to spend a lot of time searching until I find it. Now, once found, if it is not a site we want to give preferential treatment to, how do I go about deleting it?

pvgool · Mar 14, 2005

Let me give you a hint: we always list the main site of a company (this should help you find the site listed)
There is no way you can get a listed site to be removed. As we are not a listing service we don't care about what you or your client would like us to list. We decide for ourself what we will list.
There is two ways to get a site to be delisted
1) remove it from the Internet
2) violate some of our rules, see Sites Generally Not Included
But I guess that is not the way you like to go.

toroandbruin · Mar 14, 2005

Many thanks for the hint. I believe it will save me a lot of time. As for the deletion task (hopefully not necessary), if I have interpreted a quick read of your rules correctly, a judicious choice of redirect with maybe some javascript follow and nofollow and/or the right kind of robots.txt should do the trick.

jimnoble · Mar 14, 2005

We mainly use humans here, most of whom will never have heard of robots.txt . Even if they had, apart from the feared robozilla, they aint robots.

should do the trick.

We don't do tricks.

oneeye · Mar 14, 2005

once found, if it is not a site we want to give preferential treatment to

Maybe you assume that by wrecking the one site listed we would substitute for another, one you do want to give preferential treatment to? It is highly unlikely to work like that and more likely none would be listed, at least not for a very long time... Your risk though.

toroandbruin · Mar 14, 2005

As it happens, in looking at the DMOZ directory I did find one more of my minor sites which is listed (bullandbeargifts.com). I don't know how that happened since it was given its own domain name relatively recently and should have been rejected given our long-standing main site already there. Perhaps somebody else added the listing and you couldn't identify it as one of our sites. In any case, I am in charge of it at present and am requesting that it be deleted. I don't know how to prove that I'm in charge of it except for the fact that I just went to our registrar and changed it to a cloaked redirect. Hopefully that is clearly enough in violation of your rules that there is no problem in deleting it from the Directory.

Edit: And to clarify OneEye's question -- yes, although the DMOZ listings are generally quite accurate and useful (and at present yes, you've correctly identfied and categorized our main site) there are circumstances under which no listing would be better than an embarrasing tail-wagging-the-dog listing.

oneeye · Mar 14, 2005

That one has been there for well over 2 years. But you are right, it is currently unlistable regardless of whether it is yours. So it is gone, public servers will take a few days to catch up.

toroandbruin · Mar 14, 2005

Thanks!

spectregunner · Mar 14, 2005

Understand this: it was not removed because you asked us to remove it. We don't do listing on demand, and we don't do removal on demand.

It was removed because it was not qualified for a listing. That is, essentially, the only reason we remove sites -- barring mass removals due to abuse.

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