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schong719

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Hello,

My name is Samuel Chong, from Los Angeles Chinese Learning Center at http://chinese-school.netfirms.com

Currently, we decide to offer a new service which provides free hosting services (http://chinese-school.netfirms.com/web-hosting.html) for people who are interested in tutoring. Examples of the pages include http://chinese-school.netfirms.com/Chinese-tutor-UK.html and http://chinese-school.netfirms.com/French-tutor-los-angeles.html

I have read

http://dmoz.org/newsletter/2001May/deeplink.html and other articles about dmoz's policies on deeplinking. It seems that these pages fall into Type #1, or "Hosting Deeplinks". I would like to confirm if these types of deeplinking is acceptable at dmoz.

Sincerely,

Samuel Chong
 
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There's a continuum here, all the way from GeoCities (definitely completely independent sites) through bbonline.com (mini bed-and-breakfast sites, sometimes listable) down to YellowPages (tiny classified business listings, definitely non-listable). The two pages you mention fall well under bbonline.com, and are MUCH closer to YellowPages than Geocities -- that is, they are near-business-card pages on a classified-ads site. But they are definitely (if slightly) above YellowPages and perhaps slightly above mere-business-card sites. It is a good question.

In my judgment, according to the submitters' policy, you should only submit the main site; but according to the editors' guidelines, the individual tutor pages could be considered in Locality categories.

But I'd want to see some more editors' judgment before acting.
 
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I received one of these [your] submissions recently and rejected it as it had did not have sufficient content to list. Submitting single page sites is a risky business. Sometime they are ok, but often not. If enough submissions like this get made, it would not be good.

[However, in that case, it happened to point to another web site, which did end up getting listed.]
 
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Hi Hutcheson and Bobrat,

Thank you very much for your replies. Yes, I believe hutcheson is right about

"according to the submitters' policy, you should only submit the main site; but according to the editors' guidelines, the individual tutor pages could be considered in Locality categories"

Would others give a more definite answer?

In terms of Bobrat's comment, I believe you were talking about an advertisement (not free hosting service) of a page of my site. (and thanks for letting me know the request is declined).

If a page contains unique content with several other pages supporting the theme of the page (instead of just a single page), would deeplinking be, in general, OK, right?

Again, thank you very much for your comments.
 
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schong719 said:
If a page contains unique content with several other pages supporting the theme of the page (instead of just a single page), would deeplinking be, in general, OK, right?
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No, in general deeplinks will not be listed.

If I were to review the 2 pages mentioned by you I would reject them both.
Not enough content and no information to determine the right locality.
(as I am not an editor for these categories I will not be reviewing them)
 
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Yes, pvgool brings up a good point: if these subpages are listed, they would ONLY be listed in the respective Regional/.../Locality/Education categories.

A Geography tutor in Kalamazoo is of no interest whatsoever to anyone not very nearby -- and so, like real estate agents or tanning salons or elementary schools, they wouldn't be suitable for other categories.

But if the prime sorting criterion is locality, and the page has no locality, that's a pretty determinative lack of content. (But you need to fix that anyway, right?)
 
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Sorry about this, but I am still confused.

pvgool writes

"If I were to review the 2 pages mentioned by you I would reject them both. Not enough content and no information to determine the right locality."

However, http://chinese-school.netfirms.com/Chinese-tutor-UK.html indicates the locality to be Cambridge, England, the UK. and http://chinese-school.netfirms.com/French-tutor-los-angeles.html indicates the locality to be Northridge, Los Angeles County, USA.

Clearly, there is sufficient information to determine the locality.

hutcheson writes:

"if these subpages are listed, they would ONLY be listed in the respective Regional/.../Locality/Education categories."

Would they be listed in the respective Regional/.../Locality/Education categories ?

Again, thanks for all to clarify this question.

Then should editors accept the sites based
 
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I would say that a contact address / postal address is actually needed on the site.
 
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giz]I would say that a [i]contact address[/i said:
/ postal address is actually needed on the site.
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Actually there are postal addresses on those pages. Click on the tutor's name and you are taken to another page with their addresses.

Personally, I would decline them for a lack of content. The pages look more like an advertisement, with no personality of the tutors showing through. In other words, they do not look like a website with enough content to stand alone. They look like what they are, a page from a larger site.
 
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I have to admit that my first reaction in the case of the two examples you used would be to reject them for lack of content.
 
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My recommendation would be not to submit deeplinks until you start seeing editors add them themselves. At that point you have an idea what might be considered reasonable -- and thus an objective rationale for going beyond the terms of the submittal policy.

Pushing the envelope gets editors asking, "why are we deeplinking this site at all, at all?"

And so there's a long list of sites that briefly worked up to several (or dozens) of listings, of which nothing is left now but a foul odor -- and a strong reluctance on the part of ODP editors to consider ANY site for deeplinking until it has demonstrated its stability and integrity.

And you're years from that.
 
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Well I have 2 pages deeplinked already so I was wondering if this page could be considered too.
 
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OK, that brings up a different issue. Looking at that particular URL, and the location of those other links: no, it is absolutely right out, and submitting it would be really really abusive.

Why?

The site already has a link in the parent category. If you want a link to the subpage from that general subject, you can do it yourself. There's no need to ask us to. It's abusive to even ask.
 
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