DMOZ DNS PROBLEM

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but . . .
DMOZ is having some real big resolution problems. In most cases your url does not resolve, your dns does not answer or your dns is not propagating it's secondaries.

During the past few months public peering has gone to the dogs. Routing issues now plague the net and this is far worse then dying dot.com plague of the past. In committee at the Brookings Institute it was discussed how the big telco's were taking back the net as the smaller telcos decay. The days of "Free" peering are gone and those that don't pay are locked out or experience an inadvertantly transit delay. What happens as the peering is lost, network adminstrators establish peering via 2nd or 3rd tier peers that may have switched to the paid peering or have other routes that can be alternately re-routed or back-hauled routes to broadcast their BGP sessions under a alternate quasi point of presence. However, these quasi back-hauled peered configurations are supported by other multi-homed OPSF BGP clients that are at the mercy of the routing updates of their now "upstream" peers. When the upstream peers recieves an update or the route flaps, a new routing table is created. If the routes change again, then yet another routing table is created. Most routers check table every 15-30 seconds and then continue routing. This condition can and has caused continuous table update loops that cause even more routes to flap which invoke even more updates thus the production of a cascading and virtually perpetual loop is formed and held until the flapping route is either isolated or the interface is cleared and/or shutdown. The result is the same a polluted routing table as experienced a year or so ago.

Sorry, I may have over babbled.
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-Darren
 

enarra

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We're aware of the server problems. Netscape is working to correct the problem in time. If you are having major issues accessing a category I'd suggest trying Google's version of our directory, it's faster.
 
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rfgdxm

Much better to use the mirror, as Google is still using a 5 month out of date copy of the ODP.
 

Re: DMOZ DNS PROBLEM revisited

The mirrors don't do any good whatsoever as the cgi scripts that execute the incoming data are sole duties of the main host. So . . . as I was saying, if you (meaning your pc) can't resolve (meaning locate) the main server. Then the incoming submissions and applications don't make it to the queue. This has been happening for quite sometime and just yesterday I tried fourteen times and at different times too. Each and every time it errored with page not found. This is typical of a failing Nameserver or one that has a connectivity issue and, not load issue as DNS cache records or most due. Simple put . . . When you can't find dmoz.org . . . don't bother to submit anything. As the mirrors only reflect, they don't execute the scripts or write to a file.

I hope that I have cleared up misunderstanding by being to geeky in my opening message.

Sincerely,

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hutcheson

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Re: DMOZ DNS PROBLEM revisited

Yes, it's a known problem. The connectivity issue is that the server is hanging up on the public (at random) in order to keep the editors happy (well, busy, at any rate.) It's doing that because it's overloaded.

Very frustrating, even for editors (since we sometimes use the public port, and we always know that new submittals come in from outside.

I hope that the public CGI scripts will eventually go into the faster queue: it is frustrating not to get a page view, but VERY frustrating to lose form input.

But I don't know whether the DDOS hackers are hitting the main pages or the CGI scripts, nor do I know whether their main purpose is to deny service, or to grab all of the services for their own nefarious purposes. So I don't know whether my hope is at all realistic.
 
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