How do we know if we did not get approved?

xiamen

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Hello,

May I know if we are being notified if our site did not meet the criteria dmoz requires? My submit url already took about more than a month and not even notified whether it was approved or not, thinking whether I need to submit again or wait further?

Thanks.
 

jimnoble

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You can check for yourself if your site is listable by reading our guidelines. We can't predict when an editor will evaluate your website. Elapsed times vary from a few hours to a few years. It's just a matter of waiting for a volunteer editor to volunteer to do the work.
 

pvgool

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> May I know if we are being notified if our site did not meet the criteria dmoz requires?
No, you will receive no message if a site is reviewed (rejected or approved)

> My submit url already took about more than a month
Time between suggestion and review may vary from several days to several years.

> thinking whether I need to submit again or wait further?
If you suggested a month ago. Do not suggest the site again. Not now. Not in a month. Not in a year. When a site is suggested it will stay in the pool to be reviewed until it either is listed or rejected. In neither case is a new suggestion necessary.
 

johnny bravo

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Humans clearly DONT do it better!

What a terrible attitude to have!

I think you guys have completely lost site of what the ODP is meant to be.

If it takes several years to approve a site how does that improve the Internet?

After all, that's what ODP is supposed to do isn't it? Improve that Internet?

Humans clearly DONT do it better!
 

crowbar

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:D An unsatisfied customer?

Site suggestions are only one way we have of finding sites, johnny bravo, and not the most important one. Many sites are being added every day.

pvgool was only stating the facts, as he has done hundreds of times.

Sometimes that might not sound very friendly or sympathetic at the time, but, after stating the same things over and over again, it gets a little old, :) , especially when many of those things are answered in the FAQs.

I don't think we've lost site of what the ODP should be, we've invested large chunks of our free time to build it by actually doing the work that's involved.

Site suggestions are only a very small part of what we do, and you can't be expected to know that, so, I understand your concern, but, I can assure you that we're not sitting on our hands doing nothing, :D .

Do you have any questions we can help you with?

For the record, not all site suggestions take that long to get reviewed, so, I don't want you to get discouraged. Some site suggestions get listed the next day, some in 6 months, some may take several years, it depends on how many site suggestions are waiting, how many editors have permission to edit there, how much time the editors have to invest in editing from their real lives, and where they prefer to edit.
 

The Old Sarge

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johnny bravo said:
I think you guys have completely lost site of what the ODP is meant to be.

Perhaps it is you that has mistaken what the ODP is in the first place.

johnny bravo said:
Humans clearly DONT do it better!

What, in your estimation/opinion, would do "it" better?
 

motsa

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If it takes several years to approve a site how does that improve the Internet?

After all, that's what ODP is supposed to do isn't it? Improve that Internet?
The fact that a specific site may not be listed within a specific timeframe does not take away from the thousands of others that are. We're looking at net growth. If we are able to effect a net growth in the directory, then we are doing what we signed up for. The fact that any particular site isn't a part of that growth doesn't mean there has been none.
 

chaz7979

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Humans clearly DONT do it better!

What, in your estimation/opinion, would do "it" better?

I think humans do it better...but we need more "humans" to do it better.

I think the most important thing the ODP can do right now is implement something to increase their number of active editors. There should be a group/commity/organization of editors that should be working to push this issue...IMO.
 

motsa

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I think the most important thing the ODP can do right now is implement something to increase their number of active editors. There should be a group/commity/organization of editors that should be working to push this issue...IMO.
Without the editor application online, we have no way to add new editors.
 

chaz7979

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I understand but, even the orginal game plan of that application is not enough. You need more. I think that is a pretty safe statement. That is why I sgguested a team of people to come up with new/creative ways to get more quality editors on baord.
 

hutcheson

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No, we don't need more. The ODP isn't demand-driven, it's supply-driven. We could use a great deal more help than we have; if we had fewer people, they could still do what they are doing now. There's certainly a law of diminishing returns, although we aren't close to it.

And there are always discussions about how to find more volunteers. We don't do "committees", though. Anyone who has an idea can always try it out and tell everyone how well it works. Or describe it to everyone and see the reactions.
 

chaz7979

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Are you sure? You dont think the exponential growth of the internet is about to blow past that law of diminishing returns?
 

hutcheson

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I don't see what that has to do with it. At any point in time the size of the internet and the number of active editors are both constants, and it is the ratio between them that defines the return on effort expended at that instant.
 

chaz7979

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I wrote that previous post wrong, I meant to say blow up not blow past. I would consider the number of editors as a constant (pretty close) yet the number of sites on the net grows by leaps and bounds.

I dont want to argue laws or semantics we all know more editors would help the cause.

I know you said people are allowed to throw out ideas but there is no "team" in place to deal with things. I just think that is a shame as one would think that a group of 8 could be more productive and creative than 1 man.
 

crowbar

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But, your goal is for us to keep up with the site suggestions that are submitted, our goal is to build a Directory of quality sites for the websurfer, which are two different goals.

How full the suggestion box gets has nothing to do with our goal of only listing the most useful sites for the surfer to choose from, (which is why we are not all inclusive) and organizing them in a way that best fits into the Directory as a whole.

Also, I think you're under the misconception that our only job is to review sites suggestions, it isn't, we do many things. For instance:

Review sites and write an ODDP compliant Title and Description.
Investigate dead urls and either try to fix them or replace them.
Rewrite existing titles and descriptions if a bad one has slipped through.
Check for spelling errors in current listings.
Investigate and move site suggestions or current listings to the proper category.
Build new subcatagories when neccessary, and sort the current listings into them.
Create related category links where they are missing.
Create @links from the higher categories to those beneath it.
Create category Charters and FAQs in every category.
Investigate abusive submitters.
Investigate abusive editors.
Find new sites on our own.
Join in Ontology discussions and come to a group concensus.
Implement the changes.
Welcome new editors.
Mentor new editors.
Ask the editing community for advice or help about certain matters.
Ask for higher/wider editing permissions.
Join in any of a multitude of ongoing projects.
Create new tools for editors for specific jobs.

In the Regional section of the Directory, much of our time is spent sending site suggestions to the proper category. 50% of all site suggestions in Regional (and I'm being kind) are submitted to large cities (localities) where the site suggester believes he will get a wider audience (which is false) , like in advertising, instead of their true location.

Can you understand why we keep saying that reviewing site suggestions is only a minor part of what we really do, and that they are just one of many tools we use to accomplish our goals? :)

I just received permission to edit in a Topical category about water gardens (ponds), which I have a personal interest in. The first thing I'll do is to look at and investigate all of the listings in it, checking that the urls are alive, that the site belongs in that category, that the title and descriptions are ODP Guidelines compliant, and there are no misspellings.

Then, because it's a small category with few site suggestions, I may go through those and deal with them, or I may not, I may follow a lot of the links that are in the current listings to find new sites to list, or I may use certain search tools to go find new sites.

My goal, as a newbie pond builder myself who knows something about the subject from experience, is to find some of the most interesting, helpful, unique sites that I can, and get them listed for who? for other newbie pond builders like myself, not for the site owners. And, for me, my interests expand beyond just the building and maintainance of the pond, but, into specialized categories, in another part of the Directory about the plants and wildlife that go into the pond. :)

How I build this category into a quality resource is totally up to me, but, I can also draw on the experience and knowledge of more senior editors in this area of the Directory for advice.

So, you see, this is a little different scenario than the assumption that we're a listing service for all and that our primary purpose is to serve site suggesters. :)
 

chaz7979

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I dont think I misunderstand any of that. I know there is a lot that goes into being an editor. Which is why anyone can conclude that more = better. As long as the "more" are quality editors.
 
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