How to find out why our Website is not listed??

We started our business in 1999. We were listed on DMOZ. We re-did website in 2003 and "lost" our listing. We do not know why? we have re-submitted 2 times under Shopping-home theater. What are we doing wrong?? PLEASE HELP!

Thanks,

Lloyd M Winston

website address www.acousticsounddesign.com
in the submission process shoppingthen entered the home theater catagory

When searching the web I come up with hundreds of related electronics lists: an example is:

http://beta.thesoftwarestudio.com/Shopping,Consumer_Electronics,Audio.html

as I look to expand our exposure on the web-the bottom of these pages state-info comes from open directory project-Acousticsounddesign is on none of these lists, yet all our competitors are!!???? How do we get on these pages??

I'd love to help but without a clickable link to your chosen category and the URL of your website as required by ATTENTION - Forum Guidelines - READ BEFORE POSTING, I can't.

Lloyd, your site has been listed in http://dmoz.org/Shopping/Consumer_Electronics/Home_Theater/ since last October. It was removed in May 2002 because the site was dead (404 error)

Still trying to figure out open directory??

When searching the web I come up with hundreds of related electronics lists: an example is:

http://beta.thesoftwarestudio.com/S...nics,Audio.html

as I look to expand our exposure on the web-the bottom of these pages state-info comes from open directory project-Acousticsounddesign is on none of these lists, yet all our competitors are!!???? How do we get on these pages??

Look at http://dmoz.org/Shopping/Consumer_Electronics/Home_Theater/ - you are the second one down. That is the extent of what we are able to do. Other directories can use our data but when they take the data, what they do with it within the license terms, if they update it regularly, etc. is up to them. You are addressing the wrong people! Contact them and suggest they get an updated set of data from us, we provide it free and they can get it anytime from our download section.

another example-

Here is a reply from alltheinternet.com:
Hello,

To be added to the All the Internet directory, simply go to the category
that matches your sites content and at the bottom of the page it will say
"Submit a Site" follow the instructions and your site should be added as
soon as the editor for that area gets a chance to review your site and add
it to the directory.

Regards,
Rebecca Quinn,
All the Internet Support Services

There directions take me back to open directory and say do not submit if you are listed. When I enter http://www.acousticsounddesign.com it says "no results found"????
I know your link shows our web site, but does the fact that the search says we are not listed result in why we are are none of these pages?? There are literally 200 that I have found-all with the same thing-submit to open directory??

here is the result for www.acousticsounddesign.com
and acousticsounddesign.com
and
http://www.acousticsounddesign.com


No Open Directory Project results found

http://search.dmoz.org/cgi-bin/search?search=acousticsounddesign.com

1 match

Other directories use our data at varying degrees of being out of date. That is nothing to do with us, they decide if and when to take an update from our downloads page. We don't influence that decision one iota, we just make the data available and that's it. The ones you have looked at have clearly not updated from our data for that category since October last year.

You are listed with us. There literally is nothing else we can do for you. As I said before, you are asking the wrong people.

i have found the problem!!

We are listed under home theater, all the directories I am finding are like the one below:


dmoz.com/Shopping/Consumer_Electronics/Audio

All My competitors are listed under Consumer Electronics-Is it possible to get catagory changed?? how would I get my catagory changed??

This is definately the problem as there are hundreds of pages that link consumer electronics-only a handful link Home Theater.

Can You help??

Is the focus of your business home theater equipment or not? If it is, you're in the right category and we won't change that.

Sorry, but the issues that you mention are not ones that an editor could properly take into account.

catagory ?

We sell consumer electronics, we also sell home theater systems-home theater is 5.1 or 7.1 system for complete surround sound in the Home-Home Theater only makes up about 20% of our sales.

Consumer Electronics is a better fit for us-every competitor we have is listed under Consumer Electronics.

We sell outdoor speakers, in ceiling speakers, in wall speakers, Remote controls for the entire house or office-speakers that are designed for outdoor landscaping, cd recorders, televisions, plasma tvs!, and a full line of wire and cables.
We even have a new piece thats for the ipod. It integrates the ipod into 90% of all factory car radio's. It does not use FM modulation, but actually hard wires into the factory radio. We have 3000 pieces coming from Korea. Again, home theater is only a % of our business.

Who do we contact to get switched to consumer electronics?

You've done all the contacting needed to get people to review the situation. If it hasn't been changed, it almost certainly isn't going to be.

You keep talking about "your competitors" as if that were a category meaningful to anyone else on earth. But it really isn't and can't be.

Oh, all of us tend to think of the world in terms of "me and mine" and "them and my wanna-have-its". So far as I'm concerned, the taxonomy is "my religion", "heresy", and "infidels"; "my music", "tolerable background noise" and "intolerable noise"; "my literature", "drivel", and "undecipherable foreign stuff". But that can't be a basis for a generally useful taxonomy, so editors must learn to look at things from a broader and more dispassionate perspective.

"You keep talking about "your competitors" as if that were a category meaningful to anyone else on earth. But it really isn't and can't be."

Its hard for me to believe you are an objective editor with such a callous response?

If I look under the catagory consumer electronics, I see most of the competitors I compete against listed here. Meaning they sell what we sell.
In addition, I see a few of them also have listings for the same website under home theater. How do they have 2 listings? Are we allowed to be in 2 different catagories? My understanding was it is not allowed.

Since home theater is only a % of what we sell, would it not make sense to be in the more general catagory like everyone else? Towards that end, who did I hurt by asking?

Sorry in advance, but if this is the only way to get answers to questions about the open directory maybe you should think about your response, rude is an understatement!

Submit an Update Listing request (next to the Suggest URL link at the top of the category page), explain your reasons for wanting the site moved. An editor will look at the request and accept or reject it. Once you have made the request come back here to this thread a month later and ensure we have received it. That is the correct procedure. There is a section in this forum for reporting problems such as multiple listings of the same company incorrectly - that is the correct procedure on that one.

With reference to competitors the point being made is that we list sites according to our judgement as to where they fit best, we don't take account of the webmaster's commercial interests or desires. You can suggest a change, using the procedure above, because you think there is a better fit for your site when measured against the category description, but not because of where another business is listed that you consider a competitor. So

"Consumer Electronics is a better fit for us"
Good reason to suggest a change - make your case in the update request. Without reference to competitors, only refer your site and why *it* fits the name/description of the other category better.

"every competitor we have is listed under Consumer Electronics"
Bad reason to suggest a change - no case to make, this isn't a valid reason. Neither is any other commercial or competitive reason for wanting a change.

Does that all make sense?

It makes perfect sense! Thanks for the information and courteous response.

Best Regards,