http://www.almanzora.com

Submitted to:
http://www.dmoz.org/Regional/Europe...cia/Almeria/Business_and_Economy/Real_Estate/

On: 9th March 2004

Title: Almanzora - Spanish property for sale and rent

Description: Quality town houses, villas and apartments for rent or sale in Almanzora, South East Spain.

Requesting status update for this site please.

doesn't take long to get punted to the next page does it!

*bump*

No, it certainly doesn't!

That gives you a small idea of what it's like on the inside - thankfully, not everyone who submits a site comes here to check on it!

Your site has properly made it to the review area in the category you submitted it to. Most sites do.

I am under no illusion that it's not a tough job that you do!!!
hang on.. grammar check.... ummm.... you know what I mean!

So does that mean that the site is awaiting review. It hasn't been excluded?

Right, you interpret the situation correctly!

Thanks

foamcow said:

Submitted to:
http://www.dmoz.org/Regional/Europe...cia/Almeria/Business_and_Economy/Real_Estate/

On: 9th March 2004

Title: Almanzora - Spanish property for sale and rent

Description: Quality town houses, villas and apartments for rent or sale in Almanzora, South East Spain.

Requesting status update for this site please.

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It's been over 6 months now.
Is there the possibility of an update regarding this site?
Thank you.

EDIT: I noticed that there is a sub forum for regional categories now. I will go and post there. Apologies.

Looks like I should have waited another 2 months before asking this
Ho Hum.

I am a few day short of the "2 months" mentioned in my last post, but I have a spare few minutes so I thought I would check up on this.

Is there any possibilty of www.almanzora.com being reviewed for entry any time soon?
I am getting the feeling that there is either no editor working this category or submitted sites are being sat on.

Sorry if that sounds harsh, but having followed DMOZ procedures I am getting a little frustrated with the lack of any news. I appreciate the DMOZ editors are volunteers but having waited for nearly 9 months now I am begining to wonder if it's worth trying to get into the directory.

Sorry, no change in your status.

I knew you were going to say that

Seriously though, when MIGHT there be a change in the status?
I'm not going to hold anyone to it, but it is intensely frustrating for people trying to get sites into DMOZ when they have no indication if anything is happening or not.

We can't give any ETA on when a site might be reviewed. Sorry.

Has any consideration ever been given to some kind of system that would give a "rough" estimate of when things might get reviewed?
Some kind of job ticket system would be great. Especially when clients are asking questions as to when their site will be included.
I am sure many people are frustrated with DMOZ because of its void like nature. Stuff goes in and you never know whats happening and nobody can tell you.
Even if said system gave a queue position (you are number 3567992 out of 3567992!) that would be a massive improvement.

Something like that has been considered. It's always been rejected, because editors can choose to look at sites in any order, so that "queue position" would not be an indication of time to review.

Stuff goes in and you never know whats happening and nobody can tell you.

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The same applies to a submission to Google

Even if said system gave a queue position (you are number 3567992 out of 3567992!) that would be a massive improvement.

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I really do not think so, it wopuld give a person a false impression it will be a while till they are reviewed. I often review sites the week thay are submitted, ahead of other sites that have been waiting for a couple of years. There is logic to the order in which I review sites, but from the outside view it's entirely random.

Look at it this way -- remembering that editors aren't restricted to any particular source of URLs:

There are, how many sites on the web? We've listed about 5 million, reviewed another 7-10 million: therefore all the rest are in the only pool that matters, in no particular order. Submitting doesn't affect which pool a site is in, nor does it force any editor to review it: it just makes sure we won't (accidentally!) overlook that site when we're working on its topic.

It would take more than a degree in statistics to make anything of that: you'd need a dose of elementary omniscience.

arubin said:

Something like that has been considered. It's always been rejected, because editors can choose to look at sites in any order, so that "queue position" would not be an indication of time to review.

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OK. This has obviously been thrashed out and talked about many times before.

But if it is the case that editors can review sites in any order they like then doesn't that make it somewhat pointless having a submission system?

I fully understand that it is there to avoid "missing" sites. But if an editor can choose to completely ignore the submitted sites surely that then leaves the system open to accusations of bias and abuse?

Would it not be better to have a group of editors working on submitted sites and another group "searching" for sites to list? That way you are at least able to say that sites are being looked at and not sitting in a queue probably never to be reviewed.

It's good that editors aren't tied to one source of URLs, if they were the directory could stagnate if people weren't submitting sites. But an editor being able to overlook sites that have been around for a few years while simultaneously being able to pick and choose what is looked at seems wrong. It's open to abuse.
Do reviewers in other fields, such as movies, restaurants, hotels etc decide to only look at things they fancy looking at?

If the objective of DMOZ is to make an accurate, concise and global resource of what sites are online (and worth looking at) then how can this be done unless some form of formal, organised system is employed? Maybe I'm missing something here?

bobrat said:

The same applies to a submission to Google

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True, but in all honesty I have never had to wait more than a couple of weeks to get a page/listed or at least crawled with Google, it's normally a few days... and that is without submitting it. Also, the Google bot is not picking and choosing which sites to visit, it's working through a "logical" job order and following links between sites.

Since editors are unpaid, no-one can tell them what to do and when. It may sound haphazard but works amazingly well. It we were to do things the way Google does, or Yahoo, or Jayde, etc. we wouldn't be DMOZ. We are happy with the way it works, and frankly that is all that matters. We seriously don't give a second thought to what webmasters want out of the project - they just don't figure in the concept. There is potential for abuse which is why it is taken very seriously.

I am not going to wade through 300 sites with URLs akin to i-am-an-affilite-travel-agent.com when I see one in the pool that offers specialist disabled tours to Machu Pichu. If I'm disappointed when I open the site for the first time I click off, leave it, and see if I can see something else that catches my eye. Quality and originality will out and hopefully those sites will get listed a hell of a lot quicker than if they had to be dealt with in some prescribed order. Spam can stay and rot, mediocrity can wait a while, I'm after the gems, the ones we've missed so far in our hunt for the best and most original.

That way you are at least able to say that sites are being looked at ....

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Considering the number of sites added every day, sites are being looked at. However they may or may not come from the pile of suggested sites, and if they do, they undoubtedly are not being reviewed in the way that the majority of site owners expect or desire.

It makes no sense for one person to review sites suggested to a category and one person to go looking for sites in the same category - each category has nuances, and in many cases it's better for someone familair with the area to do as much of the editing there as possible.

However there are editors [not specific to a category] who do work through the piles of suggested sites - not to review them and accept them, but to find multiple submissions, attempted submissions of mirrors, and totally unacceptable sites, and remove them. These editors will also find sites that were suggested to totally incorrect categories and move them to an area where an editor might have the opportunity to choose to review them. Typically at least 50% of what I do is purly clerical - wading through the submissions, deleted duplciates, and moving them - mostly because the site owner did not spend the extra few minutes reeading the category description.

So after a while I get totally bored with that - and go looking for sites. After all I'm supposed to be reviewing sites. A site that I found by accident, that was never suggested is more rewarding in many cases, and less likely to be spam.