http://www.corvettes-for-sale.net

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Bob

on 9/25 I submitted to:
http://dmoz.org/Shopping/Vehicles/Autos/Custom_and_Collector_Cars/Muscle_Cars/

Title: Corvettes For Sale
Description: features two 'Big Block' 1969 corvettes for sale by the owner
URL: http://www.corvettes-for-sale.net

... except an editor wrote back:

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...which I did, and got no response.... so I waited another month and wrote again, and again no response. All I was asking about was if he saw the submission because the first time I submitted he saw no records of it. Here is what was written... it just seems funny that after writing back and forth, he just stopped writing. So I am not sure if it is in there or not... can anyone tell me? Thanks.

Bob
 

dfy

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Your site is in the unreviewed queue for that category.

Please remove all details of the correspondance between you and the editor in question from your previous post.
 
B

Bob

oh... sorry about posting the emails... thought it might help.

...thanks for telling me status:)

take care
 
B

Bob

so.... any news? looks like they added another site but it's not the one I submitted:(
 

windharp

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Sorry to say, only two listings but lots of unreviewed entries - nothing chaned so far. Looks like a category that could really need a good editor to review all those entries people submitted...
 

dfy

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Not any more. It seems the reviewing editor did not feel that any of your sites were appropriate for listing.
 
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Bob

may I please have a re-review? This site complys with all rules.

the description of this category is:
This category is for sites selling muscle cars or goods and services for muscle cars.

Muscle cars are defined here as factory-built high performance American automobiles that were manufactured between 1964 and 1974 which could be used on the street and raced at the drag strip.

I can't possibly see how this site does not fit into this category... the entire site is about selling 2, 1969 500 plus horsepower cars and are being sold by the owner, not some classified ad site .... if that aint a muscle car, I dont know what one is. The site might not be the most pretty one in the world but it is completely functional, all the links work, its descriptive.... and their is simply nothing wrong with it. I understand ODP is not obligated to list any site, but after waiting a year and a half and find out that it was not let in because some editor gave no reason, I would have to question the editor, not the site. Please, re-review this site.... it is in order and complys. If it doesn't, please explain why it doesnt so that I can attempt to fix the problem and resubmit.
 

apeuro

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There's only one thing that puzzles me about your site - why link to an online casino at the bottom of the page?
 

hutcheson

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No, this site most certainly should not be listed.

If you'll think about the way the Open Directory works, you'll realize that it doesn't make sense to list it. The Open Directory, like other directories, favors and features "large, stable" sites. More than other directories, the ODP emphasizes the SECOND adjective: we happily list small personal or informational sites.

But the essence of a site selling one item -- whether it's a book, car, house, or business -- is that it will immediately become disfunctional or disinformational as soon as that one item is sold. Say we DID list the site. Two days later the car is sold. Another three days later the ODP RDF is cut, and over the next six months directories all over the world pick up and publish our latest listings -- even though they're already out of date! And even if the car isn't sold, how long would it be after it was sold, before we rechecked and removed that bad listing, and how many more months before the evidence disappeared from all the engines.

So, no, we don't list severely time-limited sites. This includes News stories (except as archives, of course) and all one-off sales sites. We can't do a good job of it -- we can't even do a mediocre job of it -- and there's no point in wasting valuable time trying.

On the other hand, we do happily list the classified ads sites you seem to dislike (if they have content, and there is evidence that they have ongoing content.) Even though one ad or another is removed by the time our licensees publish, other ads will have been added, and so those sites are still likely to be valuable to our users.
 
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rfgdxm

Right. This site is ephemeral. The ODP wants sites that are expected to be around for quite a while. The cat submission guidelines should probably be rewritten to make it clear this sort of site isn't what it is for.
 
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Bob

As far as what types of sites are supposed to go into this category in particular, I have to disagree. If it were a site that only sold or gave away free classified ads, it wouldn't go into that category at all.... it would go somewhere else, like:

http://www.dmoz.org/Shopping/Classifieds/Automotive/

which has the following category description:

"Sites which offer an automotive online classified ad service[...]"

...so, I think you are wrong. Also, if you look at the description of the category I submitted to, there was no qualification as to how many cars you needed in order to list the site.... it just said cars, with an ‘s’... as in plural, which means more than one... and we have TWO, not one, as you misstated, so I’m not sure how much faith I have in your re-review... and the purpose of the shopping section is in fact to ‘sell’, which of course, is what we are trying to do. This tells me it was the right category to submit to.

If you look at the description of this category, for example:
http://dmoz.org/Shopping/Vehicles/Autos/Custom_and_Collector_Cars/Antique_and_Classic/

...you will see the following description:

“Only sites offering rare vintage cars will be listed here. To be listed in this category, at least 10-15 cars must be listed on a site, and there should be a clear indication that the dealer caters primarily to buyers from outside the city or state in which the dealership is located. Exceptions can be made for smaller inventory, if the cars offered are extremely rare or famous...."

I don't expect you to know what a "Special Hi-Performance L-89 personally supervised by Zora Arkus Duntov, Chief Engineer of Corvettes from 1962-1973" means, but it means the only other one in existence we know of was sold at auction for $118,000 ... which means that this car is extremely rare... in fact, it says RARE in the description, among other places, if you didn’t realize that the same car with the standard engine is about $80,000 cheaper... but I don’t think it should go in that category either, because we are NOT a dealer, but my point is if there was a minimum number, it should be stated in the description, like the one above.

But the thing that is really irritating me though, was that my original post, which I edited at the request of one of the mods here (because it supposedly had no bearing on anything) was an extensive discussion about exactly where this site belonged with a discussion about a number of different categories and their corresponding descriptions. To top it off, the editor who I was writing back and forth with agreed that it was indeed the correct category, just that there was no editor and I would have to wait... maybe even a year. You would have also seen that I was attempting to find the right category, not only from him, but this forum as well, seeking advice and further instruction. So to wait a year and a half to hear that this site has no place in the directory because you only want to list ‘big’ sites, just kills me. I can’t believe that those are the only sites that the ODP wants to list.... the idea is to list totally original sites, with unique content, that may not be found elsewhere in the directory or other places on the web.

FYI, I just did a search on Google for “L-89” WITH quotes:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q="L-89"&btnG=Google+Search

...and the only L-89 Corvettes I could even FIND were Die-Cast MODELS. I search for “L-89 Corvette” WITH quotes yielded NOTHING useful. They suggested I try "L89 Corvette" which turned up a car, but they had changed out the engine to an LS-7, which is not at all the same thing. The only thing I could find was a great article on the L-89 option discussed here:
http://students.umeciv.maine.edu/Clyons/L89.htm

...which talks about a 1967 L-89... 1 of 16 ever built and the only one left. So even Google has no knowledge of ANY 1969 L-89s. Seems to me that having this site in your directory would actually be of benefit to you by having the ONLY 1969 L-89 IN THE WORLD which is for sale in your shopping section... seems to me that this in and of itself MAKES this site big enough to warrant inclusion. It just pisses me off, have multiple editors waste their time dealing with this, as well as wasting my time trying to understand that it is somehow OK to wait this long only to have someone tell me afterwards that I submitted to the wrong category. This site belongs in ODP. If you don’t have a category that it can fit into, then make one, or put it in the one that bests fits it, like the “Antique_and_Classic” category. If we could just sell the car down at ‘Quality Used Cars’ in downtown Philipsburg (population 7,000) don’t you think we would have tried to do so already? If we sell both cars, believe me, I’ll yank the listings and the site will come down. This is from the contact page, that I doubt you took time to visit:

“*Please note: Before attempting to contact us, please make sure you read the entire About Us page, which talks about us, the cars, as well as pricing and trades. We are not interested in buying any additional cars, nor trading cars. We also do not want to sell any additional cars for you, nor is that our business. These Corvettes are simply for sale by the owner, and if you have read everything on this site, and still have questions pertaining to the purchase of either of these two cars, you may use the contact information listed below”

... does this sound like we are interested in having people continue to contact us after we sold the cars? As far as what happens to ODP data after you give it away, I don’t think you should concern yourself with others people outdated web sites, as the web is littered with dead information ...and as far as I’m concerned, short of a couple big players, all you do is create duplicate information, which just about as useful as dead web sites. So if you are so concerned about outdated information you should put it into the TOS when they grab your dump. Seems to me that a category that had only one listing a year and a half ago, and has only two now, wouldn’t be that hard to keep track of... but what do I know? I thought that after all this time writing letters, posting threads, asking for help, someone would have had ample time and the decency to step up and just tell me a year ago that there was no way this site was going to get in, because it wasn’t BIG enough.
 
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Bob

well, I just figured out that numerous editors looked at the site, and one actually said that the description should be changed... I don't understand this threaded thread posting format, so I only saw one response before I posted that last post.

So I guess that's it. At least you all agree on it, so I guess it just isn't one editor that thinks that way after all. I don't know. Back then I thought we all agreed that was the right place for it, compared to all the others. I guess I understand what you are saying now... but let me say if you think it is easy to sell a $100k+ Corvette in any time soon, call us up.... we'll give you a commission:) But it does seem like a catch 22... without listings, how do you let people outside of this little town know the cars exist? These aren't your standard run of the mill Corvettes... it takes the right person to really appreciate what we have, and on top of it, they need to have the money to back it up. That is a rare bird indeed... a serious collector.

Well, if nothing else, change that category description... this site belongs in there, depending on how you interpret it. I tried my best to find the right one, and based on that description, IMHO it should be allowed, or at least moved to that other category.

Sorry for the vent... you ought to feel what its like to be on the other side of the table once in awhile.... and sit there for 18 months
 
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