http://www.credit-card-processing.tiv.net

This should have been a mistake: the domain you mentioned is not ours and never was. There is no relation between those domains, except for the name similarity. Could you please check it again?
Thank you
Gregory
 

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I personally don't think you will get a listing. It appears to be a deeplink of http://tiv.net/ , which already has two listings.

I apologise for the previous comment - this was based on the observations of another editor.
 

Is that a rule that subdomains are not getting listed?
TIV.NET is a Web development and hosting company, and we often use ".tiv.net" instead of ".com" for many sites of our customers - when a proper ".com" is not available.

In this specific case, the "credit-card-processing" site has nothing to do with our corporate site, http://tiv.net. This site is a guide for webmasters and programmers. It explains how to create HTML form, validate CC number, etc. - with Perl and PHP code samples.

Please tell me:
a) is there a rule against subdomains? (I'll have to spend a few bucks for the domain if there is such strange rule)
b) should I resubmit?

Thank you
Gregory
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Hello Gregory,

There are no rules about subdomains per se, but our guidelines are pretty clear about deeplinks.

So if credit-card-processing.tiv.net was a completely different site, not related (except for hosting) to tiv.net, there would be no problem.

But it seems evident by looking at tiv.net that credit-card-processing.tiv.net is only a section of the main site.

To quote your home page:

TIV.NET's collection of most popular search keywords related to credit, credit cards and merchant account is now part of our Webmaster's Guide to Processing Credit Cards. (with plenty of links to credit-card-processing.tiv.net in this sentence).

Therefore, credit-card-processing.tiv.net will (probably, I'm not the editor) be considered a deeplink of tiv.net, and even if you get a new domain for it, it would still be considered a deeplink.

Regards,
 

Thanks for the explanation.

Still not sure why for a Web Directory the conception of "deep link" is important. I was editing the "Maps and Images" section of Toronto area. With the "deep links" idea - that section would be empty, because there were no sites dedicated to maps of Toronto. They all are "deep links" of some other sites.

By the way, I added that phrase with links, and all "reference" pages - after two months of not seeing any responce from ODP. Before that, the site was absolutely stand-alone, as I wanted it to be. But - without those links, I could not get it listed in SE.

Thanks again
Gregory
 

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>Still not sure why for a Web Directory the conception of "deep link" is important.

The most critical part of a web directory design is the treatment of deeplinks. Taxonomy, site descriptions, etc., can all be developed with help from analogies in other fields. But how deep links are handled determines whether a directory is useful or feasible. Too many deeplinks, not practical to build. Too few, pointless to use.

That "happy medium" doesn't fall in exactly the same place in every category, and it usually takes quite a bit of experience to know where to draw the line. I personally built up a lot of Arts categories from scratch, and have a good feel for the line there. But although I'm a programmer I don't edit much in Computers (partly because I never had a small category to build up while learning the ropes, and when I was starting out I really disagreed with the approach taken as I understood it. FTR, either my understanding has grown or the approach has been somewhat modifed, perhaps both.)

This is not an issue you can resolve based on one site, especially not if you have a strong emotional or financial interest in it. You need to have tried to sort out thousands of sites, side by side, trying to make access to each of them appropriate to their content. It's hard, even for humans.
 
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