I just do not get it.

sirkgnik · Nov 12, 2006

I have been trying to get my site listed for YEARS. I have even promised $50.00 tp the person who could do it. People that have sites similar to mine have used their format to submit mine and nothing!

Is there some sort of taboo or no-no to subit a business selling crocheted items??

Jeez - very depressing.

motsa · Nov 12, 2006

I have even promised $50.00 tp the person who could do it.

That would be a bribe, something we have zero tolerance for and something that will get your site banned.

hutcheson · Nov 12, 2006

Yes, you should probably assume your bribe offer has permanently burned your bridges, dynamited the piers, and mined the approaches. There are some mistakes you cannot recover from.

But the ODP is not the web. Most surfers use Google, and many sites do well there without ODP listings. Ebay and other sites provide much more effective ways to shop for (and peddle) unique items, than a generic search engine like Google (or a generic website directory like the ODP) could do. Focus on them, and if it turned out nobody noticed your bribe attempt (as sometimes happens) and if you leave the ODP strictly alone, we can't guarantee that there never will be a listing.

dogbows · Nov 12, 2006

Hmm, well maybe I misunderstood the original poster, but I don't think so. People pay other people all the time to suggest their sites to all sorts of directories. I could understand if they offered money to an editor, but they said they offered money to other people who had suggested their own sites with success of a listing. I don't see how you could ban a site for that.

owner · Nov 12, 2006

Hi,
Good thing i didnt offer a bribe but waiting for almost a year now for my sites to be listed

. So i wonder how sites can be included on dmoz, its like impossible.

brmehlman · Nov 12, 2006

Impossible? I think not. I can show you a list of millions of sites that are listed on dmoz. You'll find that list, neatly categorized by the nature of each site, at this url.

owner · Nov 12, 2006

brmehlman said:
Impossible? I think not. I can show you a list of millions of sites that are listed on dmoz. You'll find that list, neatly categorized by the nature of each site, at this url.

Opps Impossible (for me not as in general impossible

).

hutcheson · Nov 12, 2006

There are two steps involved in every listing. Step one (creating a website with significant unique information), you have complete and absolute control over. Many people find this step impossible.

Step 2 (reviewing the website, categorizing and describing it) is at the sole initiative of the editors. This step isn't necessarily easy: some people can't do it either. And although editors decide which of the millions of sites to review, there are some websites that (according to the ODP editing guidelines, may not be reviewed.) An editor doesn't have the right to list such a site.

There are two completely independent activities. Webmasters can work with no concern for the ODP -- and, mostly, they should. And ODP editors can work without paying any attention to webmasters. And (with the exception of bad-listing reports and sometimes of site suggestions) they should also.

shadow575 · Nov 13, 2006

dogbows said:
Hmm, well maybe I misunderstood the original poster, but I don't think so. People pay other people all the time to suggest their sites to all sorts of directories. I could understand if they offered money to an editor, but they said they offered money to other people who had suggested their own sites with success of a listing. I don't see how you could ban a site for that.

Actually they said:

sirkgnik said:
I have been trying to get my site listed for YEARS. I have even promised $50.00 tp the person who could do it. People that have sites similar to mine have used their format to submit mine and nothing!

Seems like an open ended "I will pay whomever to get my way"to me. IMO this post wouldn't constitute a bribe attempt (although not very smart to direct that statement to a forum full of editors

) however it also doesn't indicate that the offer was made only to third parties. If this offer was made directly to an editor(s) either privately or publically on any forum, that is most assuredly not going to end well for a listing. In any regards this comment is not appropriate (or relevant) to the OP situation and should have been left out of the post.

motsa · Nov 13, 2006

It wasn't an offer to pay someone to suggest the site but to list it. Only an editor can list it, ergo it's an offer to pay an editor to list the site.

shadow575 · Nov 13, 2006

I agree with that conclusion. I took it as an open ended offer to pay for a listing, but was giving the benefit of the doubt that the OP doesn't realize the difference between "list" and "submit/suggest". In all fairness, that sometimes is a problem for some.

crowbar · Nov 13, 2006

No submitter has ever offered me money, but, if they did, I'd forward it directly to the meanest meta I could find, and let them deal with it,

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dogbows · Nov 13, 2006

shadow575 said:
I agree with that conclusion. I took it as an open ended offer to pay for a listing, but was giving the benefit of the doubt that the OP doesn't realize the difference between "list" and "submit/suggest". In all fairness, that sometimes is a problem for some.

Since all the first paragraph was in past tense, that is exactly the way it does read to me. They have in the past offered to the person or persons with similar sites as their own who were successful, and those people tried with the same format that had been successful for them. But it still was not successful for the original poster.

I don't see any present offer to editors here, only the statement about past experience in soliciting help from people they know who had been successful was money mentioned. However there was a present question to editors which no editor has yet to answer because.........????

crowbar · Nov 13, 2006

Is there some sort of taboo or no-no to subit a business selling crocheted items??

Not at all, sirkgnik,

, I've listed such sites myself, and I was happy to. It's possible, if you sell products online, that you might qualify to be listed in the Shopping area of the Directory, and, if you have a walk-in business, to be listed in the Regional section of the Directory, normally in your locality (city, town, village)

motsa · Nov 13, 2006

I have even promised $50.00 tp the person who could do it.

and

People that have sites similar to mine have used their format to submit mine and nothing!

were two separate sentences with nothing to indicate they were meant to be part of the same thought.

I don't see any present offer to editors here

Just to be clear -- a past offer to bribe is the same as a present offer to bribe. But we're straying way away from things here.

shadow575 · Nov 13, 2006

I viewed it as two separate comments as well, but I was still trying to give the OP benefit of the doubt. Perhaps it was just a miss understanding, but why someone would offer $50 to anyone to 'suggest' their site I can't figure out since suggesting the site is free. And its still an inappropriate comment that was irrelevant to the question that was eventually asked (which by the way was answered-thanks crowbar).

sirkgnik · Nov 18, 2006

WOW you guys got it all wrong!!!

I am talking about my family/friends to see if they could write something for ME to submit that would get accepted - not other websites, etc. Not talking about bribing editors or anyone, just a challenge which by the way no one has succeeded at.

I figured it was that DMOZ did not like the way I was wording things or the categories I chose!!

Like I said I have studied the rules for submission etc. and for over 2 years have not had my site submitted. Other friends who have sites have looked over what I submit and say it looks fine, but still nothing . . . . so therefore I think it may be some sort of thing against my site for some reason that I cannot figure out.

dogbows · Nov 18, 2006

sirkgnik said:
Other friends who have sites have looked over what I submit and say it looks fine, but still nothing . . . . so therefore I think it may be some sort of thing against my site for some reason that I cannot figure out.

Sirkgnik, I have very little to go on here, but I would be willing to bet, that the main reason your site has never been listed is just simply that no editor has reviewed it yet. It is easy to assume something is wrong with your site when you think enough time has lapsed for it to be listed. But in reality the length of time it takes for a review is not an indication of a site's listability.

Due to the nature of ODP, there is no guarantee of a listing, and especially no specific timeframe for a review. Hopefully, when the technical issues are resolved, an editor will someday soon decide your site is the one that they will review. Then you might be pleasantly surprised! In the meantime spend your time making it the best site there is for whatever it is that you do or say on the site.

crowbar · Nov 18, 2006

Good luck, sirkgnik, we are for you, not against you, and thank you for being a member,

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