Is DMOZ sinking under the weight of all the pending work?

jeff.saunders

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As an occasional visitor to this site, I get the uneasy feeling the editors supporting DMOZ are slowly losing ground on the sheer number of items waiting to be reviewed.

In terms of potential work per editor, or percentage of items waiting for review versus those in the directory, how is DMOZ managing these days?

Is it gradually losing ground on the sheer volume of requests? Holding even? Or gaining?
 

motsa

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Keep in mind that the pool of sites suggested for review is not our top priority. So any estimation we could give you would be an inaccurate method for determining how the ODP is doing from our point of view. The directory is growing daily and that is the bottom line.
 

hutcheson

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A more realistic way of measuring the comprehensiveness of the ODP is this: find a good, OBVIOUSLY unique website, then ask whether it's already listed.

Note that no e-sales website can be OBVIOUSLY unique, and that's where the affiliate/doorway/mirror spammers congregate anyway, of course, so you'd have to ignore them for the purposes of this test. Just pick any other ordinary commercial, artistic, or social website created without regard for getting an ODP listing.

There's still lots of work to do, of course: I estimate (very roughly) that there are a million or two of good sites still to list. And there are no doubt even e-tail sites that, upon careful investigation, will prove unique -- we will continue reviewing those, albeit not with the urgency and enthusiasm that we share for sites that may possess "obvious uniqueness."

But the difference between the approximately 40% of good sites listed (as in Yahoo) and 80% of them listed (as in the ODP) -- is pretty significant. I think it validates the open-content model of content creation as implemented by the ODP (and many other sites.*)

(*)Recently a Project Gutenberg project manager noted that they had virtually exhausted the canon of non-ephemeral English novels...and they have more volunteers who focus on general fiction than they have books to feed them. So such books, when available, are proofread at the rate of hundreds of pages a day. They whip through two rounds of proofing in a matter of hours.

On the other hand, the harder, more esotoric texts (Greek and Roman Literature, History of the Physical Sciences, Philosophy) are lucky to see a page or two proofed a day. These books may take six months to go through proofing. But they do get through eventually.

Do you see something of a pattern here?
 

jgwright

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hutcheson said:
...There's still lots of work to do, of course: I estimate (very roughly) that there are a million or two of good sites still to list.
...and I just finished surfing every site on the 'net just last night! :cool: Unfortunately, I'd been scribbling down all the good ones but the dog ate it... :( Going to have to start again...
 

jjwill

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jeff.saunders said:
I get the uneasy feeling the editors supporting DMOZ are slowly losing ground on the sheer number of items waiting to be reviewed.

Ok, I'm done. I need more quality sites with unique content to add.
Taking out the trash is easy. :D
 

jcrooke

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motsa said:
Keep in mind that the pool of sites suggested for review is not our top priority. So any estimation we could give you would be an inaccurate method for determining how the ODP is doing from our point of view. The directory is growing daily and that is the bottom line.
what is your top priority?
 

nea

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what is your top priority?
That is to build a well-ordered directory of content-rich, working sites.

How we find the sites is of secondary interest.
 

Duffy

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hutcheson said:
A more realistic way of measuring the comprehensiveness of the ODP is this: find a good, OBVIOUSLY unique website, then ask whether it's already listed.

OK, Ill bite..

that seems to be an obvious catch 22, as the good unique site that I can find dont NEED to be in the directory.. Its the ones that I cant find that are the problem.

I will avoid the all to tempting urge plug a new site that I have recently developed, and am trying to get in the directory.

But I can assure you that it is good, and "Obviously unique" (not a lot of sites on Igloo building!!)

Any how, Im not meaning to dis the great work you folks are doing here, but the reality is that DMOZ is an invaluable tool for people launching NEW website, in particular sites with new domain names that are not listed in any of the big SE.
 

sole

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seems to be an obvious catch 22, as the good unique site that I can find dont NEED to be in the directory.. Its the ones that I cant find that are the problem.

It seems you've hit the nail on the head. :)

We are constantly being swamped by submissions from people who think they need us. They think they need to be listed in our directory.

What we are looking for are sites that we need to be a complete well rounded directory. Sure Google doesn't need to be listed in our directory as almost everyone knows about it already. However, what kind of directory would we be if we had a category http://dmoz.org/Computers/Internet/Searching/Search_Engines/ and we didn't list Google?

the reality is that DMOZ is an invaluable tool for people launching NEW website, in particular sites with new domain names that are not listed in any of the big SE.

That may or may not be true. I wouldn't know. I'm not a SEO expert. I'm a librarian who started sharing some favorite bookmarks, and found myself getting sucked into the dmoz vortex.

However, I do know that some search engines let you submit directly to the engine and I believe they will usually pick you up faster than we will. What we offer the world is not speed, and not a listing service for webmasters, but a well organized directory.
 
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