Abuse
spectregunner said:
What is upsetting is that, with no evidence to back it up, you tarred the ODP editorial community with the broad-brushed accusation that if we compete with you, we must be corrupt.
I find it hard to believe that you are criticizing a person concerned about abuse for lack of evidence when you're well aware that there are virtually no means for collecting reliable evidence based on the black hole that is your submission and status update process.
When you're given the status "awaiting review" in a category with 37 entries which a competitor edits and it's been 24+ months since your submission, there might be cause for concern. How can anyone come up with a smoking gun in this situation within the ODP system? Send a note to the editor asking "are you blocking me because my site competes with yours?" in the hopes that they respond, "Yup!" and then forward their response to the ODP abuse investigation team?
This is pretty simple. Whenever you create an organization with a hierarchy of positions with varying degrees of authority (at DMOZ submittors at the bottom and meta editors near the top) there will most definitely be people looking to join the club with their own interest in mind. As good as your screening is, I'm 100% sure people slip through. I've read so many times on the Submission Status board messages from editors saying that they are bogged down with so many sites to review asking that users lighten the load by not resubmitting. With such a heavy load, how can you also expect us to have confidence that you can police your own editors against conflicts of interest with your 'checks and balances'?
This talk of checks and balances and protocol sounds like some of the systems my government has in place but please don't try to make pass it off as such. The general users of DMOZ don't have visibility into your checks and balances like we do with government, so you shouldn't treat someone who suspects abuse as a conspiracy theorist.
In a real system of checks and balances, conflicts of interest are never tolerated and decision makers usually recuse themselves from such situations.
That being said, I've been to trade shows and have seen competitors in various industries get along face to face, but this ain't no trade show! This is the cut throat world of the internet and as everyone knows, the anonymity that it provides can make people sometimes act less amiable.
Give us tools to collect evidence before criticizing us for not doing so! I'd personally like to be able to see how many sites a given editor has reviewed for a category, how many declines and how many acceptances. A persons intentions would seem suspicous if they became an editor for a category, added one or two sites in the following week or so and then vanished.
After two years of waiting, I suspect abuse in my category. My competitor and I offer nearly identical services and content EXCEPT that he charges for his while mine is FREE and I have no pop-up ads nor any advertising at all for that matter. He is listed and I'm not. I will NOT file an abuse report because unfortunately I do not have enough evidence.