I've been waiting about 9 mos to get listed. ETA?

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hutcheson

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No, an ETA is never possible.

The exception (and this happens far less than 0.1% of the time someone asks) is when a particular editor sees a question about a particular category he personally plans to clear out.

Needless to say, such personal plans are only known by the individual editor, and many editors probably don't have them at all.

The ODP is not your typical treadmill-slave type operation. It's more like feral cats feeding off the rats in the mill's storerooms. The rats are never completely exterminated. Some of them die of old age; others get eaten before their gestation period is up.

And trying to get a cat to chase one particular rat, when there are plumper and slower ones all round, is an exercise in futility.
 

giz

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Re: I've been waiting about 9 mos to get listed. E

>> My client is about to can me because I can't get them listed. <<

Unfortunately, that is bad business sense to promise results on something over which you have no control.

You also seem to think that an ODP listing is some magic bullet that will turn around the company's fortunes and SE ranking. That isn't going to happen.
 
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Re: I've been waiting about 9 mos to get listed. E

I didn't say I had promised anything, thanks. And I don't consider a DMOZ listing a magic bullet. Give me a little credit, man. I just said that my client is hassling me and, after 9 months of waiting, I'm wondering what is a reasonable wait. That's all. It really doesn't seem that unreasonable to ask about it, as that what's this forum is for (actually I should have submitted in "Site Submissions" which I didn't see, but since have).

Tim
 

Re: I've been waiting about 9 mos to get listed. E

It was silly to assume that you thought such things. Sorry about that. It's not quite as silly to think that some clients would feel that way, though ;)
 

jswafford

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Re: I've been waiting about 9 mos to get listed. E

Why not bookmark these forums and show them to your client?
 

pnm

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Re: I've been waiting about 9 mos to get listed. E

It is, more or less, as hutcheson described. The editors have very few rules about what they can and can't work on ("one edit every four months" is the minimum ;) , and there's no one telling people they have to work on a certain category, or even to look at unreviewed at all). As a result, no one can predict what is expected, or reasonable for a given category. I edit in some spammy, backlogged categories where I've looked at submissions from 2000 and 2001 :( and in others where it's unusual to see anything more than a couple weeks old that an editor hasn't listed, deleted, or commented on.

We're working really hard to improve this directory, and from what I observe in the ODP forum and what I see clicking through logs, I'm amazed at how much we are getting done.

There's so much more that needs to get done besides reviewing submissions. For some editors, unreviewed is a huge priority. Others focus on hunting down abuse or cleaning up existing listings. And everyone needs some variety.

I'm hoping you can see why we might be frustrated with your question. And it's not just because we've heard the question and given our answer a hundred times before, but because we're looking at this project (!) in very different ways. Submitters are frustrated that we haven't found time to make the directory better and more complete by incorporating their suggestion. And that's at best -- it's just as often that they ask for promises, accountability, or a level of service guarantee as the owner of a site, not a user of the web, which isn't part of our contract. Quicker reviews of submissions is something many of us (editors) would love to offer, but we don't consider this project or our contribution a failure if it doesn't. I personally, would love for the median time-to-listing-or-deletion to be, say, a month. And maybe it'll happen someday. But my motivation to become an editor was to improve some categories -- to get some old crap out, and mostly to track down a some of the great stuff hiding out there and make it not-quite-so-hard-to-find. It of course wasn't until I got here that I discovered this massive concept of "unreviewed".

So yeah, a site owner, they want their site listed; someone browsing the web wants the useful, content-rich, relevant sites listed. We do what we can to do the second, and try to do the first in the process, but it's almost incidental rather than central to the process.

:flower:

I've no idea where that came from, or why I'd want to write a 429-word post. I hope it means something to you. I'm happy that I'm free, as an editor, to choose to spend a half hour writing a post to a, what, SEO-type person without there being a supervisor to scold me for not making enough editing throughput tonight, on account of having wasted time on some little post in some little thread. I'm glad that I get to offer a chunk of time to the ODP this evening to rearrange a few listed sites, discuss a reorganization proposal, trash some spammy submissions, fill out a new category application, read some posts in the editor forum, and post a nice long response in the public forum.

Quite honestly (and even though I'm sure someone faster must have responded by now) I think it made my day.
 

Re: I've been waiting about 9 mos to get listed. E

I don't know where a "data synchronization" site would go, and neither did the editor who moved the submission to where it is sitting now.

It would help a LOT if you would read the submission guidelines and write a title/description which makes sense to us non-specialists and otherwise is readable and appropriate for ODP. A description full of jargon and acronyms is no way to get listed.
 

xixtas01

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Re: I've been waiting about 9 mos to get listed. E

I'm usually pretty good at translating techspeak into English, but I can't think of a really good way to express "data snchronization" in plain English.

Here are two places to consider:
http://dmoz.org/Computers/Software/Databases/Replication/
http://dmoz.org/Computers/Software/Databases/Data_Warehousing/Applications/

You should definitely also submit here:
Sausalito/Business_and_Economy/

The regional listing may get you listed faster than the topical and doesn't preclude you also being listed in topical.

<Edited for thread stretch.>
 
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Re: I've been waiting about 9 mos to get listed. E

You've hit the nail on the head in terms of categories, xixtas. Data synchronization is just another word for data replication, extraction, useful for disaster recovery. What's weird is that I originally submitted to very similar categories:

http://dmoz.org/Computers/Software/Databases/Data_Mining
http://dmoz.org/Computers/Software/Databases/Data_Warehousing

but the guy who responded to my query here had apparently considered

http://dmoz.org/Computers/Software/ERP/Enterprise_Application_Integration

more appropriate. But

http://dmoz.org/Computers/Software/Databases/Replication/

is spot on.

The regional one would be fine, although the company really isn't at all region-specific. Anyone looking for the product would just look on the Web, not in their home town or whatever.

Are you suggesting I re-submit? And then I guess I go back to the end of the line? Ugh! I just want to get it done, and I guess I'm getting progressively confused.

But I do want to thank all contributors to this thread for being willing to help out.

Tim
 
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Re: I've been waiting about 9 mos to get listed. E

Sending a link to this thread is an excellent suggestion, and I've done just that. Thanks!

Tim
 

xixtas01

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Re: I've been waiting about 9 mos to get listed. E

I personally don't see the downside of a regional submission for a business. The business employs people, purchases services and pays taxes in the locality, right?
 
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