moderator on these forums abusing powers

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abusive forum moderator on here

Damn it, this is ridiculous, not only were my non-malicious posts asking why my site was removed from dmoz were deleted, but my forum account here also got banned.

I dont think it was because i broke forum rules or seomthing, because i read them thoroughly, i made a very common request and got abused by a moderator on here, in the "General ODP Issues" section.

If these actions were taken because i broke some sort of rules, PLEASE pm me or tell me what i did wrong and i will correct it immediately!!!!

I have a feeling that the abuse i have recieved on these forums form a moderator is in relation to my site getting removed.


if a proper admin on these forums could assist me, please do
 

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As we don't do status requests anymore all questions about status might be deleted by the moderators.
And asking for status is seen as breaking the forum rules.
 
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i wasnt asking for status, i was simply asking as to where i can inquire about finding out why my site was removed from dmoz, it had been in the directory for well over 2 years, and is being removed now, of course i would ask! who wouldnt?

however recently i requested a move of where my site is placed in the directory and the editor emailed me saying that its fine and that he is forwarding the request, could this be the result of what appears as my site being removed and that its only in transition?

i dont expect you to do a status check, but where can i go to find out about the above information?
 

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If a site is moved to another category it will (most of the times) be added there for a new review. An editor capable of reviewing sites in the new category will look into the request sometime in the future. As with first time suggestions we can not predict when this will happen.
 
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i understand that reviewals take time, that is fine by me and i respect that, however my question is that, while in transition of the moving from category to category, is it possible for it to appear as though my site is no longer in the ODP, for example it has been removed from the old category and is awaiting reviewal for the new one?

Thanks for your help

by the way, this thread was NOT the one i was referring to and is a rather old post, the 2 thread(s) i started ARE deleted and ont he 2nd one it was not only deleted, but somebody banned my username (hence why my current username is digidogstudios2, because somebody banned my old one, unexplained)
 

spectregunner

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is it possible for it to appear as though my site is no longer in the ODP, for example it has been removed from the old category and is awaiting reviewal for the new one?

This is very often what happens.
 

dajeffster

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digidogstudios,

Read that thread again. You'll see that the thread you think was deleted was actually merged into it (posts from yesterday are not "old" ;) )

We ask that people use one thread when discussing the same site (actually, it's a carry over from when we did status checks). It's much easier to keep everything together.

Mods tend to pull accounts fast when a post is just antagonistic... could that have been the problem with your 3rd thread?
 
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there was only 2 threads, i was banned upon posting the 2nd thread


anyway my question has been answered, thanks
 

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Perhaps if you spent more time reviewing and taking care of the sites from webmasters who've actually ASKED to be included instead of gleaning links from newspapers and such you might not have these kinds of problems. I submitted my site back in December. DECEMBER! I asked about it per the rules again in February. Still nothing, not only that, but it doesn't look like ANYTHING AT ALL has happened in the category I submitted to.

The ODP is becoming like an online version of the UN, full of people who don't really have to answer to anyone so they think they can just do what they want. I know, I know, it's free. Well, if it doesn't work, then it's really not even worth that price, is it? Also like the UN, you're very quickly becoming irrelevant. More and more webmasters I talk to just don't bother with the ODP any more. It's not worth the trouble. You're value as a search tool or a marketing tool is quickly evaporating. A few more years like this and there won't be an ODP.

The ODP still has a chance. Lead, follow, or get the heck out of the way. Right now you're a joke to any serious professional webmaster. You are still in a position to turn that around if you'll show some leadership, or at least try to follow the prevailing trends. I'd bet there are enough sites submitted every day to keep the editors busy. Perhaps I'm wrong, but if it takes going on a year now to get one simple site listed then I have to wonder what is going on.

The category has an editor, what is he/she doing? I know the editors are volunteers, but that doesn't mean they should be able to just do nothing and have their name out there. They're paying nothing for credibility they don't deserve. They're also taking up space where there might be someone who's actually willing to DO SOMETHING CONSTRUCTIVE with their category.

To all you editors out there I say, if you're going to do this, THEN DO IT! If you're just there to try to control the competition, or keep things pointed in a direction YOU think they should take, then get out of there before someone decides to clean house. At some point in the near future someone is likely to do that. Character is defined as doing the right thing when no one is looking. Well, we're all watching and many of you still insist on working against the original intent of the ODP, and behaving in ways that benefit no one but yourselves. Either get on with the business of managing your categories or move on an let someone with a legitimate interest in building the directory in to get the job done. Until something drastic happens the very people who should be able to benefit from the ODP are all going to be more and more taking the attitude I have about it: Kiss my ass!
 

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Nfzgrld:

Despite the profane manner in which you ended your post, I will attempt to give you a civil response, because there is just so much misinformation that you post must not go unanswered.

Perhaps if you spent more time reviewing and taking care of the sites from webmasters who've actually ASKED to be included instead of gleaning links from newspapers and such you might not have these kinds of problems.

I'm sorry that you think that the primary responsibility of an editor is to process submissions. Submissions are but one (usually very poor) source of sites that we try and list. Contrary to your belief, we are not a listing service for webmasters and no where do we make a commitment as to when we will look at a given suggestion.

More and more webmasters I talk to just don't bother with the ODP any more. It's not worth the trouble. You're value as a search tool or a marketing tool is quickly evaporating.

We are not now, nor have we ever been, concerned aobut our value as a search tool or a marketing tool. Our social contract make no reference to those concepts. Similarly, what the averagfe webmaster thinks about the ODP is also not terribly concernign to us as webmasters are not the people e set out to please, rather we care only for the surfers who use our data.

Lead, follow, or get the heck out of the way. Right now you're a joke to any serious professional webmaster. You are still in a position to turn that around if you'll show some leadership, or at least try to follow the prevailing trends.

We do lead, every single day by being one of the few resources on the web that does not succumb to commercial pressures, where no one can buy their way in, where the small quality site is given more value that the huge megasite that has no unique content -- just a huge marketing bucket. We are one of the few resources on the web that actually cares about the surfer, and puts their interest above all others.

They're also taking up space where there might be someone who's actually willing to DO SOMETHING CONSTRUCTIVE with their category.

The simple response that that you are factually wrong. ther is no "space" to take up, there is no quota on how many active eidtor "slots" there are. This is not the landing pattern at O'Hare where a Cessna 172 with two passengers is keeping a Boeing 747 with 435 passengers from landing.

If you're just there to try to control the competition, or keep things pointed in a direction YOU think they should take, then get out of there before someone decides to clean house. At some point in the near future someone is likely to do that.

Wow, like power to the people, man. Nice rant, but utterly irrelevant. We are not guided by what we want, but by our social contract (have you even read it?). The facts of the matter are that every day hundreds, perhaps thousands of edits take place. Many, many sites are added daily. Links are maintained and checked, categories are built, and restructured. Powerful debates on the crrect placement of sites take place, thousands of spammers and directory abusers are thwarted. Perhaps we should just stop everything and list your site.

There will be no popular uprising, no overthrow of the evil tyrant. If someone comes along with a better directory idea, they are free to do so. Heck, we'll even contribute the first five million listings. Rather than tilting at windmills, do something constructive. Feed the hungry, shelter the homeless, build a directory -- and try not to get royally steamed when some ingrate comes along and tries to tear down what you are doing because he personally does not profit.
 

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spectregunner: Well answered.

I am seeing the value of ODP more all the time. When I go to a regional area in DMOZ I can fine lots of quality sites that are listed based not on how many inbound links they have with the right keyword in the anchor text, but based on the relevance and quality of the content.

If I do a search with one of the top search engines for that regional area what do I get. Many times a bunch of sites that have a page for every town for the same regional area and little or no original data.

I have to wade my way though 3 or 4 pages of sites to get what I can find on DMOZ on one page.

If webmasters want to have their site added up they need to have relevant quality original material.

While this makes so much sense to the people doing searches it seems some Web masters have a hard time to clue in on this.

Here is a search on Google which is considered my many to be the search engine that provides the most relevant data.
http://www.google.com/search?q=aylmer
The first 5 pages give you 6 or 7 relevant sites.

A search for Aylmer on DMOZ gives you a link to the town of Aylmer at the top and with one click you are exposed to 22 quality links.
http://dmoz.org/Regional/North_America/Canada/Ontario/Localities/A/Aylmer/

Personally I think more people need to discover the value of DMOZ.
 

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Nfzgrld said:
You're value as a search tool or a marketing tool is quickly evaporating.
As we have never been a marketing tool it is impossible that our value in this field will be evaporating. And notice: we as editors are proud DMOZ isn't a marketing tool and we will do our best it will never become one.
 

bobrat

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Right now you're a joke to any serious professional webmaster.
We are a pain for non-professional webmasters (and that's always a good sign), but serious professional webmasters understand what the ODP is, and use it wisely without complaints and without rants.

BTW porfessional webmasters do not resort to profanity.
 

pvgool

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bobrat said:
We are a pain for non-professional webmasters
I think this should be
- we are not a pain for non-professional webmasters (DMOZ lists many sites created by goodwilling amateurs who just want to share some information on their site)
- we are not a pain for professional webmasters (they know how to create good sites)
- we are a major pain for anyone who think they are a professional webmaster but who infact don't have a clue about what they are doing

My guess is that the group Nfzgrld is calling "serious professional webmaster" in reality are those clueless nobrainers. And they are so easily to spot. :rolleyes:
 

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Thanks for correcting that. That's what I was trying to convey, and my original statement was open to confusion.

Goodwilling amateurs are in fact, more likely to get an email from me suggesting some changes in their site that would make it listable.
 
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