Multilingual sports site

lynhines · Jun 7, 2004

Hello all,

After reading the FAQ the advice was to ask the question here instead of "misplacing" my submission. I want to submit:
http://www.infoguia2007.com/~en/ which is a English subdomain
of www.infoguia2007.com a Spanish site.

The site is intended to be a information & services portal for the America´s
Cup in Valencia Spain.

Should I submit in
Spanish, English,
sports sailing
world

I need to learn alot and would appreciate any links to information.

Regards,
Lyn Hines

hutcheson · Jun 7, 2004

If the site itself doesn't have unique content, then it wouldn't be listed at all (which is here the most likely case), but it can be considered for a listing in each language in which it has unique content.

lynhines · Jun 7, 2004

hutcheson said:
If the site itself doesn't have unique content, then it wouldn't be listed at all (which is here the most likely case), but it can be considered for a listing in each language in which it has unique content.

Thank you for your input. Actually the content is supposed to be different and is not meant to be a simple translation. It is following a central theme of the America´s Cup and Valencia, but with different content.

If I am getting what you are saying, what I call a "central theme" means "doesn´t have unique content".

So I gather submitting in Spanish would be the best and then sports - sailing? Then I just have to see how I can get the English section seen.

I would appreciate any links to documentation because I don´t expect
someone else to do the work for me.

arubin · Jun 7, 2004

I think you misunderstood hutchinson.

If the site has unique Spanish language content, it can be submitted to topical and/or Regional categories in World/Español.
If the site has unique English language content, it can be submitted to topical and/or Regional categories in the main directory.

A machine translation is not "unique", but the it doesn't matter whether the English language content is a translation of the Spanish language content.

lynhines · Jun 7, 2004

Thanks very much for your post. I am laughing because me not understanding
doen´t surprise me

It sounds as though I could submit my section of the site as I am by no
means following directly the Spanish site content and actually try to follow
English oriented links and interests. A huge advantage is that we have
a professional local translator who can easliy convert "local" Spanish news
to be put in English.

Sorry about the details.
Obviously a lot to learn.

Thanks again and I look forward to further posts.

Lyn Hines

sole · Jun 7, 2004

???

I'm hoping that what I will say will make things clearer and not further muddy the waters.

It doesn't matter if your English content and your Spanish content are the same or not. What matter is:

- That your website has some content of its own. That it doesn't just take its content from other sources. (In many sites the English and Spanish content is the same, and we still list both as a service to those who can read only one language or the other. What's important is that there is unique content that they can't find elsewhere in their own language.)

- That the English is proper English and not a machine translation.

I really hope that helps, because I found this a confusing thread to read.

xixtas01 · Jun 7, 2004

One thing that is important to note is that a site which is a directory of other sites/third-party content has to have a large and unique collection of such content in order to be included in the directory. Having glanced at the English language portion of the site in question, (but not reviewed the site in any meaningful way) I would recommend on holding off on submitting it until there is more content.

lynhines · Jun 26, 2004

Translated content

If materal is merely found in another site and translated, is that somehow considered "new" content?

I am considering multilingual forums and the possibility of a "multilingual"
site through a xoops translation module. How does rate in dmoz?
Is the first page in the domain considered the primary language and then
subdomains are ??? Actually my second question might be more for robot and search engine forums.

Thank you

spectregunner · Jun 26, 2004

Machine translated content is not acceptable.

When submitting multilanguage sites, submit only the topmost page.

Forums are not deemed to have any unique content until such time as they are heavily populated with users and with "real" postings, so make sure it is a rich, active forum before posting.

nea · Jun 27, 2004

A truly multilingual forum can be listable in each language. The forum must be possible to use for somebody who only understands one of the languages; for instance, if all menu choices are in English only, the forum won't be listed in a French category even if there are French-only discussion topics.

If you consider machine-translating your site, you should be aware that apart from the fact that the translated material will not be listable in DMOZ, you make yourself a laughing stock for native speakers of the language you translate into (yes, literally - links to machine-translated sites are always circulating in email simply for the amusement value). I would personally think that that would be a bad marketing diecision.

lynhines · Jun 27, 2004

multilingual forum

Thank you very much for your input. So if I use country flag banners to
send French users to a "French" environment forum "buttons, error messages, etc", that would be reasonable. I wonder sometimes if I am making it more
complicated but I don't want to have to create a new domain, mail etc.

Thanks again, Lyn

nea · Jun 27, 2004

Country flag banners is a really good way - go for that

lynhines · Jul 6, 2004

country Flags

Just a followup on multilingual site. I have managed to get a country
flag to a french forum but there is still english content.
I doubt this would meet the criteria for a entry in dmoz but
I would like to hear anyone's opinion. The Italian is on the way.

Thanks for any ideas/comments

sfowler · Jul 8, 2004

Just adding to the multilingual topic. I have a site listed in the German section, which I wish to include in the English section, since it is bilingual with the same content in both languages. should I send my request for inclusion to the editors of the German section or the English section?

arubin · Jul 8, 2004

sfowler said:
Just adding to the multilingual topic. I have a site listed in the German section, which I wish to include in the English section, since it is bilingual with the same content in both languages. should I send my request for inclusion to the editors of the German section or the English section?

Suggest it to the English section, possibly with a note that it's already listed in the German section (in case our automated checks fail).

DO NOT send it to an editor.

lynhines · Aug 5, 2004

multilingual site

nea said:
Country flag banners is a really good way - go for that

Hello, I wanted to thank you for your ideas and show my progress

www.infoguia2007.com but I have a ways to go before I have the nerve to submit in another language. I suppose the "whole page" has to be in the local language really.

Thanks for any comments

wundermac · Aug 8, 2004

Weighting of "Forum"

The comments by Spectregunner and other moderators/editors in this thread might be interpreted to suggest that only forum-oriented web sites get listed and then only when there are lots of people participating.

I'm a newbie and assumed that there was no bias towards any "type" of site in the project. Since I'm contemplating a site in two languages that will have no forum or any way for a user to comment (other then webmaster feedback), are my chances of getting listed lower on the totem pole than those with forums (or is it forai?)

spectregunner · Aug 8, 2004

The comments by Spectregunner and other moderators/editors in this thread might be interpreted to suggest that only forum-oriented web sites get listed and then only when there are lots of people participating.

That is a reasonably good interpretation.

I'm a newbie and assumed that there was no bias towards any "type" of site in the project.

This is a huge bias within the ODP. We are terribly biased against sites that do not have any unique content.

So if you have a (hypothetical) forum with 7 users and 19 postings, don't expect an ODP listing. There is simply not enough critical mass there to meet our unique content needs.

If you have a site that does not have a forum, then the issue is completely moot. We will judge the site on the merits of its content. If it has sufficient unique ocntent (when compared with the best of hte already listed sites) then there is a good chance it will get listed.

If it is only marginally better than the worst of the sites already listed, the probability of a listing is slim, at best.

A site with a forum has no better chance of being listed than a site without a foru.

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