my site will never be listed on DMOZ ...

vorxio · Jan 9, 2006

http://www.gameszoo.org/

... and I will NEVER know why ... :-(

(I submitted it 2-3 times during the last 18 moths, trying minor changes in the description ...)

Bye,
Marzio

pvgool · Jan 9, 2006

vorxio said:
my site will never be listed on DMOZ ...

... and I will NEVER know why ... :-(

To be more precise.
You will only know if your site is listed.
If your site isn't listed 2 major things could have happened.
1) nothing, your site is still waiting evaluation
2) your site is rejected

Please read our FAQ for more detailed answer to your questions.

You can know if your site will be rejected by reading DMOZ guidelines at http://dmoz.org/add.html and http://dmoz.org/guidelines/include.html

vorxio · Jan 9, 2006

DMOZ's cat

If your site isn't listed 2 major things could have happened.

:icon_idea It sounds like ...

A cat (my site http://www.gameszoo.org/) is placed in a sealed box (DMOZ). Attached to the box is an apparatus containing a radioactive nucleus and a canister of poison gas. The experiment is set up so that there is a 50% chance of the nucleus decaying in one hour. If the nucleus decays, it will emit a particle that triggers the apparatus, which opens the canister and kills the cat. According to quantum mechanics, the unobserved nucleus is described as a superposition (meaning it exists as both simultaneously) of "decayed nucleus" and "undecayed nucleus". However, when the box is opened the experimenter sees only a "decayed nucleus/dead cat" or an "undecayed nucleus/living cat."

The question is: when does the system stop existing as a mixture of states and become one or the other? The purpose of the experiment is to illustrate that quantum mechanics is incomplete without some rules to describe when the wavefunction collapses and the cat becomes dead or remains alive instead of a mixture of both.

nea · Jan 9, 2006

Schrödinger's site

Seriously, though, there is nothing more you can do. When an editor decides to work in the category you suggested your site to, and decides to review suggested sites, and decides to review the site you suggested, your site will be reviewed. There is absolutely no possible way we could predict when that will happen.

And the comparison to Schrödinger's cat is not quite apt, I'm afraid. A listable website will stop being a cat in a box when it has been reviewed, and instead show up in the directory. What would you do differently if you knew it had been reviewed and denied a listing, compared to your actions if you knew it had not yet been reviewed?

hutcheson · Jan 9, 2006

If the site is reviewed and rejected, you already know why. The editor didn't find significant unique content on it.

Now, whether or why the site was designed without S.U.C., or whether or why the U.C. was not prominently featured in the navigation, ... those are questions WE can't answer.

vorxio · Jan 9, 2006

hutcheson said:
If the site is reviewed and rejected, you already know why. The editor didn't find significant unique content on it.

I'm sure that my site is not affected by the SUC syndrome ...

... and I don't know if it's still in the DMOZ blackbox (sandbox?) or it has been rejected (multiple times) by an "opponent" editor ...

... and I will NEVER know it ...

hutcheson · Jan 9, 2006

That is true. But, and this is the important point, what difference does it make to you? How would you act differently if you DID know whether the site was "rejected permanently" versus "still waiting for an indeterminate not to say interminable period"?

You're asking for information that you cannot use.

vorxio · Jan 10, 2006

hutcheson said:
That is true. But, and this is the important point, what difference does it make to you? How would you act differently if you DID know whether the site was "rejected permanently" versus "still waiting for an indeterminate not to say interminable period"?

... suppose that you AIM to become the president of the USA (or your country) .... you invest your money and try to make your best to make a good campaign ... then the election day comes ... but the presidential elections have strange rules ... they have no deadline and you must wait forever in the "quantum state": "I was not elected (?because your oppents are tricking?)" - "The poll is not ended ".

You're asking for information that you cannot use.

There are many information out there that cannot be "used", but are "useful" for themselves.

Bye

pvgool · Jan 10, 2006

Try to answer the question hutcheson asked

How would you act differently if you DID know whether the site was "rejected permanently" versus "still waiting for an indeterminate not to say interminable period"?

The answer should always be: "I can not act differently"

vorxio · Jan 10, 2006

pvgool said:
Try to answer the question hutcheson asked

The answer should always be: "I can not act differently"

1) my site has been rejected => try to improve and correct it in order to be accepted (deeply review the DMOZ & SUC requirements), after 3-4 weeks submit it to DMOZ again and "GOTO 3"

2) my site has been approved => do nothing

3) my site is waiting to be approved => open dmoz in my browser every 2-3 days to see if it changed its status ... if rejected the "GOTO 1" if approved "GOTO 2"

As you can see the answer is "I can act differently" !!!

More formally:

Code:

int status = 0;
int work = 0;
boolean f = false;
String  mysite = "http://www.gameszoo.org/";
while (! f) {
switch (status) {
case 0 :
submit_to_dmoz(mysite);
status = 1;
delay = 7 days;
break;
case 1 :
if ( site_approved(mysite) ) 
f = true;
else
if ( site_rejected(mysite) ) {
work = 0;
status = 2;
}
else
delay = 1 week;
break;
case 2 :
improve_towards_dmoz(mysite, rand(1));
delay = 1 day;
work++;
if (work > 30) status = 0;
break;
/* (UNREACHABLE)
case 3: 
post_on_dmoz_forum("silly stuff");
delay = 15 minutes;
status = 1;
break;
*/
}
sleep(delay);
}
feel_happy();
forget_about_dmoz();

Bye

motsa · Jan 10, 2006

1) my site has been rejected => try to improve and correct it in order to be accepted (deeply review the DMOZ & SUC requirements), after 3-4 weeks submit it to DMOZ again and "GOTO 3"

You can deeply review the requirements now and, if your site is lacking SUC, fix that now -- without knowing what the status of your suggestion is.

3) my site is waiting to be approved => open dmoz in my browser every 2-3 days to see if it changed its status ... if rejected the "GOTO 1" if approved "GOTO 2"

Checking every 2-3 days is generally pointless, you know.

vorxio · Jan 10, 2006

minor changes

Code:

int status = 0;
int work = 0;
boolean f = false;
String  mysite = "http://www.gameszoo.org/";
while (! f) {
switch (status) {
case 0 :
submit_to_dmoz(mysite);
status = 1;
delay = 7 days;
break;
case 1 :
if ( site_approved(mysite) ) 
f = true;
else
if ( site_rejected(mysite) ) {
work = 0;
status = 2;
}
else
delay = 2 weeks;
break;
case 2 :
improve_towards_dmoz(mysite, rand(1));
delay = 1 day;
work++;
if (work > 30) status = 0;
break;
/* (UNREACHABLE)
case 3: 
post_on_dmoz_forum("silly stuff");
delay = 15 minutes;
status = 1;
break;
*/
}
sleep(delay);
}
feel_happy();
forget_about_dmoz();

vorxio · Jan 10, 2006

motsa said:
You can deeply review the requirements now and, if your site is lacking SUC, fix that now -- without knowing what the status of your suggestion is.

OK ... let's start a new tale

"MY SITE HAS BEEN REJECTED BY DMOZ"

Hello everybody, my site http://www.gameszoo.org/ has been rejected by DMOZ.

I own 2 other sites with similar structure and content (though the content is NOT the same) in another language, and they're correctly listed in DMOZ.

Now, my new site is in English and HAS UNIQUE CONTENT (* see below), I submitted it to DMOZ 18 months ago and HAS BEEN REJECTED (I don't really know it, but a DMOZ quantum mechanics law says that it has been rejected)!

I read the site requirements well and I think that my new site meets them (furthermore the other 2 sites, not in English, are listed in DMOZ).

Is there anybody out there that can help me to discover why it has been rejected and what is the requirement that it doesn't meet?
Can I contact the editor that reviewed it?
I would like to improve my site in order to be accepted by DMOZ...

Thank you and best regards,
Marzio

(*) SUC
- a daily master_mind-like challenge with online hiscore table
- an online java version of the unix game robots with modified rules
- an online java version of atomix (+ many levels found elsewhere)
- some old C64 classics (granted distribution permission) and playable online
- an online java version of frozen bubble with hiscore table (on other sites you can find only the flash version)
- ecc. ecc. ecc.

vorxio · Jan 10, 2006

vorxio YOU'RE A BASTARD!
You're site is not worthy to be listed in DMOZ category

Top: Games: Video Games: Browser Based: Collections: Java

You're site is surely worst and without SUC if compared to some of the LISTED site:

http://www.amherstlodge.com/games/submenus/freeonli.htm

which has many broken links, or if compared to:

Stupid Programs http://www.missouri.edu/~mahgdd/index.html

that is LISTED, but points to some games that the author decided to take down !!!

... or if compared to:

Simslots http://www.simslots.tv/

that points to a casino site without java content.

Vorxio we hope you'll never come back again here and be sure that your site will NEVER EVER be accepted!

vorxio · Jan 10, 2006

... vorxio ... I can't bear you ...!!!!
Just a final note: forget to become an editor of such category (I personally rejected your application): your only aim is to insert your site and you can't give us any help !!!

shadow575 · Jan 10, 2006

I am not sure how you have reached the conclusion that the site (or any site for that matter) has been rejected or even reviewed since that isn't information that is normally provided. Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't. I don't know, I didn't look nor do I plan too.
What purpose does this rant serve you? I guess I am just not seeing a point in all this

motsa · Jan 10, 2006

What have you been smoking?

Look, this thread has more than run its course. Continuing to flog the "I can't find out the status" dead horse is pointless.

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