No explanation for not listing & now same for closing thread

[frank1]

Ok,neither we are here to spam nor to put allegation on any one or site....

Point is
We are not clear about something and we are asking explanation for it,if there are any?
but rather than providing explanation our threads are being closed...

We are asking through words can't it be answered through words?

I think TOS doesnt say Users should praise the site,the users who disagrees with the mods or seeks explanation ....the post will be closed....

we think every thing was going as a constructive discussion but now rather than arguement thread was closed....

We think we are just excercising right to expression ,if we are doing wrong please provide us explanation rather than misusing the power and closing the thread....
Ok your thread is asking explanation we have no answer for it so we are closing it....or your post is against this...so.....we are doing this....


we havnot said the site was wrong not accepting our site or we didnt said the site must accept it...we were just sharing our experience and felt it was right from our site....

so even here we just want to know why our this post was closed....
http://www.resource-zone.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=55259

We know the site owner has their right...if it is the case ...you can put it that way as well..."ok this is my site,i have the right i will any thing i want"...we can take that arguement as well

 

[jimnoble]

You've had several explanations.

There's no need to keep making the same point in the hope of getting a different answer to the ones that volunteers have already given you.

This is a place where we inform users about how ODP works, not a place to argue about how you think it ought to work. That's why the thread was closed.

 

[frank1]

You've had several explanations.

There's no need to keep making the same point in the hope of getting a different answer to the ones that volunteers have already given you.

This is a place where we inform users about how ODP works, not a place to argue about how you think it ought to work. That's why the thread was closed.

ok if this was at the end of that thread,may be this thread would not have been born....[we would atleast known what closers thinks]
but there were still lot of room for discussion and explanation in that thread....

any way at first place
We are still not clear and convinced ,why our sites were not listed...
Two things said there were
TOS
time frame...

we were just saying those 2 may not have been the case as,
it have done every thing as per TOS [if it wasn't then what was the problem ,we still dont know]
and it has been 3 years so time could not been the problem as well....

so we were putting our prespective on it...

and Finally,it was said that ( or we think now we can infer it as fact that)
"The listing is guided totally by whim and will of editor,even though it may totally follow TOS,editor has right to do anything and even to disapprove sites that follows TOS if he wants"

So if that thread is closed there,this is what we can and people can take as conclusion and official statement from the site.
Can you verify the statement?
If yes,we dont have any points keep on posting here as you say and we feel many people are watching it,can refer it in future.

If no,then we were in the discussion that,if it was not the case then what may be the cause that our sites were not allowed[if we take statement that TOS is bigger than particular editor's whim...]...we were on that point when tropic was closed....

Ok,we are not being stunborn,we are totally guided by facts and info.We may be TOTALLY WRONG IN WHAT WE SAY,or what we believe....but convince us,inform us through information rather than closing threads and barring the access.....

thanks

 

[jimnoble]

I give up.

 

[pvgool]

> We are still not clear and convinced why our sites were not listed...
This has been answered to you several times.
One last time:
The site is either not listable (you can check our guidelines yourself and we are never going to tell you the exact reason) or the site has not been reviewed yet.
If your site is listable and is not listed at this moment it must be waiting review.
Nothing more to answer. So please do not ask us again to repoeat the same answer.

> we were just saying those 2 may not be the case as it
> have done every thing as per TOS
Good.
> and it has been 3 years so time could not be problem as well....
Wrong. You have been told already that we lost most suggestions made before 2007.
If you did not suggest your website in 2007 or later you may suggest it again.
If you did suggest the website in 2007 or later there is no need for a new suggestion.
It is very common for websites to stay in the pool of suggested websites for several years. You have been explained why already several times. Please do not ask again.

> "The listing is guided totally by whim and will of editor,even though it follows
> TOS,he has right to do anything and even to disapprove sites that follows
> TOS if he wants"
Yes and No. It is all upto an editor if he wants to review a suggested site. Nothing forces him to do so.
But he may not reject a website that meets our guidelines.

> If yes,we dont have any points keep on posting here as you say and we
> feel many people are watching it,can use it in future.
Yes, there is no point in keeping asking the same question over and over. The answer won't change.

> If no,then we were discussion ,
We do not discuss individual websites. You asked a question and we provided you with the answer. If you do not like the answer there is nithing more that we can do.

> if it is not the case what may be the case that our sites were not allowed
already answered several times

> Ok,we are not being stunborn,
Hmmm ... let's say that opinions differ about that.

> but convince us,inform us through information rather than closing threads
> and barring the access.....
We have done that but if people refuse to listen we have no other option.

 

[frank1]

I give up.

Respected admin,Sorry for any miscommunication or misintrepretation(on our side or your side)
As said eariler our intension is not just argue to arguement or spam forum.....

Unless we are clear in these things...
we should give up not only posting in this forum but submitting in the Dmoz itself(as we dont know why our sites will be disallowed....if we can't make it approve then there is no point in submitting)
If we dont submit site there then automatically there wont be any point in posting things here...

so these may be also our final try to get some points.........and not conclude "Dmoz is not for everybody or Dmoz is not for us"....

We respect your reputation,thanks for your help and sorry it if has unintentionally hurt you.
But
we still feel that what we were trying was ,just trying to know or get clear about some reasons....

 

[frank1]

>
> but convince us,inform us through information rather than closing threads
> and barring the access.....
We have done that but if people refuse to listen we have no other option.

ok we know that our english is some what weak as it is second language to us...
any way we were thinking that were trying to say people that
"ok we think those 2 maynot be the reasons because of these reasons.."[through out that and this post]
.....but seems like we have not been able to do it at all.....feel sorry for ourself...
[it was not that we didnt saw or understood those 3 answers and were trying to listen same thing again and again]

ok pointwise,[same thing we said earlier but with some inferred conlusions now,we have no choice]

Given Answer:NOT according to TOS
US:we Read TOS many times,even after arguing here read it twice.We dont FEEL we have big problem there
Correct category,plain limited words,legitimate sites,nothing more
[ok,may be one conclusion, may be we have done something that editor felt was wrong but we misunderstood reading TOS]

Answer 2:May be our data was lost or site has not been reviewed it.

Us:We submitted our site even twice as it was not listed in this 3 years.The hosting site was submitted 1 yrs ago which is after 2007 and 1 yr is long time.
[our conclusion,time still may not be the problem,it may have been rejected]

Answer 3:May be editor were not interested on our sites
US:If editors are ethical and does things as per rules,then it may be our bad luck that editor didnt understood importance of our site[but no complaints],or if it is totally on whim of editors,then no points in disucssion here....we could just pray...


So it is not that we didnt saw those answers.
Problem is we still thought those were not the cause because of the reasons we have presented there...in our post we were saying the same

so in conclusion may be
May be something in TOS we misunderstood,or the editor though otherwise
and
Editor was not interested in the site,so editors threw it
[even in this case,can do nothing other than saying "bad luck mate" and similarly cannot force somebody to post in our post,it is matter of luck in forum like this...for experts to answer ....we know that]

to end,something taken from guidelines to editors from the site:

Use these guidelines as a basis for your editorial decisions as well as category specific charters. Remember to always keep the end-user in mind

thanks

 

[pvgool]

From the things you wrote in your last post it is clear that you still do not understand what we have written. For me it almost seems that you are not interested in our answers as they are not the answer you want to hear. As a result I see no reason to answer any of your further postings, like Jim wrote "I give up".

And we never said that no editor is interested in your site. We said it might be that no editor was intersted in the subject/category into which you have suggested your website.

 

[jimnoble]

We have a communication problem in English which doesn't seem to be your first language.

If you scroll down the forum index, you'll see a World section where there are forums in other languages such as Français. The editors there might be more able to help you to understand.

 

[zippy300]

Respected admin,Sorry for any miscommunication or misintrepretation(on our side or your side)
As said eariler our intension is not just argue to arguement or spam forum.....

Unless we are clear in these things...
we should give up not only posting in this forum but submitting in the Dmoz itself(as we dont know why our sites will be disallowed....if we can't make it approve then there is no point in submitting)
If we dont submit site there then automatically there wont be any point in posting things here...

so these may be also our final try to get some points.........and not conclude "Dmoz is not for everybody or Dmoz is not for us"....

We respect your reputation,thanks for your help and sorry it if has unintentionally hurt you.
But
we still feel that what we were trying was ,just trying to know or get clear about some reasons....

I just joined this forum because I use Dmoz everyday to find sites that are related to my hobbies and to ask about MusicMoz. This post out of a lot of post stands out to me, as Jim, Pvgool have stated many times in multiple threads including this one, read the guidelines, read these guidelines. This thread is an example how people can push as far as they can with out breaking the TOS. You were explained to why you site is not listed, listen to the Editors they have way more experience here than you do by far, they told YOU what happened and what you should do! Leave it at that take the advice these guys have given you, there is no since in starting another thread after one you argued in was closed. I hate when people argue in the forums it is stupid and ignorant, one was closed so you opened another one to say the same stuff STOP IT, if you do not understand English very well do as Jim suggested go to another language but I would not recommend starting a thread and arguing in it, if I were a moderator I would watch you post and close you out as soon as you started an argument. Ask a question you get your answer end it.

I apologize if I should not have posted Im just tired of seeing arguing and people that just keep going trying to make a stupid point that will get you no were.

FYI making multiple posts after the first one is closed would be considered spamming.

I will not post again on any subject like this nor will I reply to this one so please dont argue with my post it will get you no were and will also make you look a fool.

Thanks!

 

[frank1]

I was thinking that i wont post any more to this forum,as i am still confused what may be the excat reasons(but seems like it is mystery of burmuda triangle which nobody nows)

What i was trying to acheive?
Ok,once again as i have said, editors provided me with 3 probable answers and i felt those may not be the reasons and put forwarded why i think they are not.

and for me,rather than going to my post arguements why those cannot be reasons,reputed editors kept in repeating same answer again and again may be thinking i havenot understood or listened to those probable answers


state is
i asked
editors provided 3 answers
i felt those maynot be it(why not,i have my explanation)

now rather than moving forward,editor are in recusive loop in 2nd step(same answer again and again rather than saying why our explanation are wrong)

And as we didnt find any thing different than same 3 things, rather than clearing us, why the explanation we have provided saying those 3 couldnot be reasons are WRONG(if it is)

so i think it is the whole story.


once again,to make things clear

1)tos
we said we feel it is as per tos
now editor again says tos
now until we know what was wrong we may read that tos 1000 times but will be of no use.If man learns 2+2=5 from kidergarden and if u say its wrong and dont say it should have been, 2+2=4,she will make same mistake life long even she writes it 100 times daily.

we are in same state now.

2)timeframe
we still feel time frame was not problem
editor:time frame may be problem

3)editor's interest
we said:yes,we may have run out of luck here and editor might not have understood its significance.
editor said
first:yes it is based on his interest
now:may be it was not good as per interest of category submitted

so,rather than feeling we are just posting for posting,i think the problem would have been solved if we had move forward.
we were ready to listen to any arguements.



Any way,we found that greatest misintrepretation in our part was how dmoz editors worked.So,i yesterday consulted some of my students,we found out that things are lot easier and rather than wasting ours and your time discussing here,we could adopt those methods and get listed.but no illegal ways ,all legal.After all they are volunteer editors.

thanks.

 

[frank1]

Actually this post made us post again,as every body acts as an "expert" these days.

I just joined this forum because I use Dmoz everyday to find sites that are related to my hobbies and to ask about MusicMoz. This post out of a lot of post stands out to me, as Jim, Pvgool have stated many times in multiple threads including this one, read the guidelines, read these guidelines. !

If i say thats wrong reason to join a forum,you would probably say "that may be your personal opinion",we have found that until there are lots of good SE like google people wont come to directories just to search the sites.
They said "read the tos"
we said:"we have and feel it is ok"
I hope you understand the situation.

This thread is an example how people can push as far as they can with out breaking the TOS. !

Every one you speak to in the forum is not script kiddies.We use to participate in mailing list even before existence of forum and we know difference between post out of "confusion" and post for spamming.
Plus you may have lot of spare time,but we dont have and we are investing our time here with the hope of getting something.We are not bots,it takes time for us to read ,type.

You were explained to why you site is not listed, listen to the Editors they have way more experience here than you do by far, they told YOU what happened and what you should do! Leave it at that take the advice these guys have given you, there is no since in starting another thread after one you argued in was closed. !

We agree that they have better experience than us in this very tropic thats why we are asking them.
You should understand that they provided us with some reasons.We felt those may not be the reasons(we provided reasons why those may not be),and again we were given same reasons and post was closed.So,there were not any conclusions.

So,you should understand the situation first rather than jumping into conclusion or act smart with out knowing the situation.

I hate when people argue in the forums it is stupid and ignorant, one was closed so you opened another one to say the same stuff STOP IT,

Every thing that shines is not gold likewise every long post that disagress with something/somebody is not spam.So every time new post is opened doesnt mean that it is wrong and you should hate them.
Understand the situation
Atleast mods here ,seems to understand it,thats why they have not closed this.

if you do not understand English very well do as Jim suggested go to another language but I would not recommend starting a thread and arguing in it,

we know it may not be that good but most of the time it is good enough to make things understand and even in this point we dont feel it is all because of language problems.
(i hope you are reading and understaing, what we have typed)

if I were a moderator I would watch you post and close you out as soon as you started an argument. Ask a question you get your answer end it.

Thats why you are not moderator and from this statement we feel you should or could not be.You should understand mod is not next name to Dictator or misuser of authority.
May be ,will be surprising for you,but we ourself are mods in many programming forums.

I apologize if I should not have posted Im just tired of seeing arguing and people that just keep going trying to make a stupid point that will get you no were.

Not getting listed even after fulfilling all the things(that is what we feel) is not STUPID point at all,we are trying to reach to something but you are also diverting things to nowhere....

I will not post again on any subject like this nor will I reply to this one so please dont argue with my post it will get you no were and will also make you look a fool.
Thanks!

did we forced you? in addition, we would like to say that,you wont earn reputation or be mod, just backing other great guys and prasing someone.Its quality in you which can/will earn it.

Please dont delete the post ,rather, keep it as sticky,there are lots of people like us, who do not know excat reasons why their sites were not listed(you can find numerous even in first page of this section) and let the people decide ,were we really fool to present our arguement and seek explanations.

thank you.

 

[makrhod]

frank1, did you read jimnoble's post?

I will repeat it here, because I hope you will follow his advice:

We have a communication problem in English which doesn't seem to be your first language.

If you scroll down the forum index, you'll see a World section where there are forums in other languages such as Français. The editors there might be more able to help you to understand.

Also, please note that zippyeditor is not an ODP editor, just a visitor like you.

 

[lmocr]

Repeating the same action over and over again with the expectation of getting a different result is the definition of insanity.

So, what is asking the same question over and over again with the expectation of getting a different answer?

To repeat one more time -- Your site hasn't been listed because:

1. It doesn't belong in the directory, or
2. No editor has reviewed it yet.

It really can't get any clearer than that (it could get a little bigger tho ).

 

[pvgool]

yeh, yeh ...... but those are not the answers he wants to hear

 

[photofox]

This thread is just going in circles.

frank1 - you have been given answers to your questions, please just accept them as fact and move on. As previously mentioned, in the future if you have other questions, you might like to post them in your native language in one of our World language sub-forums.

Please do not start anymore threads on this same topic.