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hutcheson

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You've already submitted the site, you don't need any more help -- that's all you need to do to help us, and that's all you can do.

You may read the submittal policies as often as you need to know what to do. They basically say don't submit more than once, maybe twice. There is never a rush to use up your second submittal. Save it for next year, or next time you add a LOT of unique, relevant information to the site.

If you do some simple calculations (600,000 categories, about 3000 edits a day, it'll be obvious that a category waits on AVERAGE at least seven months between updates--at any given time half of the categories will have been waiting longer than that. It will also be obvious that if there are two submittals waiting in a category (as there often are), or if the editors are reviewing sites from some other source than submittals (as they often do), or if a "category edit" consists of removing a bad listing (as we often must), then the seven-month "average" CATEGORY wait will be even longer for each SITE that is reviewed and accepted.

How long did you say you'd been waiting?

If you ever go out on the internet, you'll notice that internet promotion sites are, um, a glut in the gut, so you might think in terms of a wee bit longer wait for that, as in any other especially spammy or especially well-predeveloped topic. And you might want to think in terms of whatever really unique skills or knowledge or experience you have, to make sure that the site reflects YOU -- who YOU are, what you want, what happened to you, where have you been, what have you done, what you'll do for money. That, at least, will be unique -- nobody else (I presume) has your experience, nobody else can sell your services, nobody else can tell what only you know.
 

oneeye

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One problem we have with web design categories is that we have listed tens of thousands and for every one listed we have two waiting for review. The point is whether listing tens of thousands of sites on a similar subject is actually useful for a directory user. A handful of editors are dedicated to the cause, many others wonder and devote their efforts to other areas of the directory. What that means is that you have probably got to be outstandingly fantastically excellent in what you do and what is on the site to get some attention. Or win the DMOZ equivalent of the lottery.

If I were going to add another site in that area of the directory it is 99% certain it would be a good site I had found elsewhere and was particularly impressed with, and not in a submission pool. That is probably the only way I (and many of my colleagues except the few dedicated heroes) would even go near web design categories. Even so the site would really have to impress me a lot to convince me it was worth my time to add one more to the tens of thousands already there.

That's a personal approach others might not share but I would hazard a guess that plenty do. What value is your site to our users if put alongside all the others on a similar theme? How does that value compare to me listing a church or a craft shop or a science project or a chocolate sponge recipe instead? Where is my time best spent when I decide to do some editing. Sorry but it ain't in web promotion sites!
 

bobrat

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A very good point, I happen to edit a small category of web site design companies, at this point I've reviewed and accepted hundreds of them, I've also had to spend time deleting dead ones that have got lost or changed content, spent time sorting out spam etc. Right now I have around 15 waiting for review. But I don't jump to deal with them anymore. The web sites have become so numerous that we ended up filing by letter of the alphabet - now in all honesty who is going to come to ODP, and look for web site design companies beginning with the letter N? WHen they get to the category, they see a list of hundreds of them but I see no way of sorting them into a more meaningfull structure. In my judgement there are more meanigfull things I can do than add another 15 to the list.

Now many of those that are listed show terrible site design, and one could argue that listing web site design companies that have badly designed sites is not good. But that requires me to make a judgement value about the site design, which is not something editors are supposed to do.

One idea would be to randomly display a small subset of the category - so each time it displays a different list, but that would require a whole discussion and approval of that process, and a major rewrite of the directory software.
 

montux

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i like DMOZ's attitude,i just asking as if my site is not accepted than should i submit it again or not? however thank you for yuor repply
 

giz

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If it is rejected, then no don't resubmit unless you have made a very large change to the content of the site, completely changed the topic, or added very many extra sections of original and unique content. A resubmission much less than a year after the original would not cause an editor to re-review the site.

I rejected something as unlistable last month and it was resubmitted just days later. I didn't re-review the site having looked at it only the previous week. I looked at just the index page and it was exactly the same as when originally rejected, so rejected again it was. If a year had elapsed between reviews then I would have approached it as fresh.
 
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