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nkernick

• Sep 14, 2003

• #1

Im sure this has been air'd before , i cannot find it though. Im sure many submitters would pay to have their sites reviewed a little quicker, this income could also be used to increase the dmoz directory speed etc..

Would this cause too many problems.

However, $200-300 from yahoo directory is a disgrace

 

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xixtas01

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• Sep 14, 2003

• #2

ODP editors are not allowed to accept any form of payment. This issue is specifically addressed in the ODP Social Contract. http://dmoz.org/socialcontract.html

 

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pnm

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• Sep 14, 2003

• #3

We can't and won't do this. You can look at the ODP Social Contract, which provides a little explanation.

It also helps to consider that our user audience is the people visiting web sites, not the people publishing them.

 

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nkernick

• Sep 14, 2003

• #4

I did not suggest that the editors get paid !!!!

 

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giz

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• Sep 14, 2003

• #5

Oh no, this can of worms has been opened yet again.

The ODP does not do paid listings. I, personally, as an editor would not want to be here if I had to list a site just because they had paid the ODP to be listed.

Umm, there have been dozens of threads about this over at webmasterworld. Do I hear a collective groan from many of the other editors out there?

<edit>umm, yeah, 3 replies in the time it took to write mine</edit>

 

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nkernick

• Sep 14, 2003

• #6

you must combine that groan with the thousands of people who moan about submissions then, a bet there are thousands of notes on the net from people moaning about the directory. Surely something has got to change as DMOZ is not a must for most search engine optimisers, why are people selling books on how to become dmoz editors etc...

its ridiculous

 

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xixtas01

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• Sep 14, 2003

• #7

Thanks for your opinion. You are welcome to create your own directory using whatever business model you wish.

 

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nkernick

• Sep 14, 2003

• #8

Yes it was an opinion, but are you not sick of the submitters constant moaningings ?

ps. Every internet model has changed over the years, its called progress!!!!(admittedly in some cases)

 

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xixtas01

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• Sep 14, 2003

• #9

...are you not sick of the submitters constant moaningings ?

Click to expand...

Now that's a loaded question.

The model has taken the directory this far. It's not like there hasn't been competition from other directories. The directory as a whole doesn't exist to serve submitters. Being "tired of moaning" is not a good reason to change an organizational model that has so far led to very good results. (Unquestionably a top two market position.) The ramifications for changing the model in terms of potential loss of editors and potential loss of information distribution are far more serious than moaning of submitters, no matter how vociferous.

That's my final word on the subject.

 

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nkernick

• Sep 14, 2003

• #10

Q, Is the Dmoz directory riding on the back of google, and what would happen if google decided to drop the dmoz directory.
Is that a worry? Would the model change then?

I guess that bridge gets crossed when that one arrives.

 

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• Sep 14, 2003

• #11

>> Is the Dmoz directory riding on the back of google

No. Quite the opposite: Google (and hundreds of other downstream users) take ODP data and use/incorporate/modify/do whatever they want with them. We are pleased to provide a comprehensive and unbiased directory for the benefit of the final user. We don't care how big/important/well-known are downstream users, we just do our best to build up the directory.

>> what would happen if google decided to drop the dmoz directory

We would have less moaning from unsatisfied webmasters and could better focuse on our job ? We would have less self-interested applicants clogging the new application queue ?
BTW, several senior editors, including myself, joined the ODP when Google was just a spark in Page's and Brin's brain.

 

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nkernick

• Sep 14, 2003

• #12

In my ignorance I do not know where DMOZ is financed from.
If the content is distributed FOC , who pays for the development and hosting, i see no ads?

 

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• Sep 14, 2003

• #13

If you look at the bottom of any page at dmoz.org, you'll see "Copyright © 1998-2003 Netscape". That means that Netscape owns the ODP and AOL, in turn, owns Netscape.

 

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• Sep 15, 2003

• #14

You may even take the ODP data as a start for a directory where one has to pay to be added. Numerous people have done so, without success.

 

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• Sep 15, 2003

• #15

Constant moanings

>Yes it was an opinion, but are you not sick of the submitters constant moaningings?

I get sick of my preschooler's whining for cookies, but it doesn't mean I give him cookies for dinner. (-:

Annoying people by constantly moaning is a pretty bad strategy for getting them to do what you want, as most people over the age of three have figured out. (-: When I get too tired of the whining of submitters, what happens is that I ignore them, not that I give in to them. This probably is not their goal, but that's their problem for acting like spoiled children pitching tantrums instead of adults who want my help with something, isn't it?