please change description and title, thanks

Hi All,

I know this is asking a lot but I hope you will process my request.

Up until a month ago I was ideally placed in google no 3 for my ideal keywords "Ireland Photography". But the last month has me listed on page 42+ for these keywords. I have noticed that Google is now picking up my DMOZ description for these keywords.

In DMOZ my title is
John Pierce Photography - Online gallery of black and white photographs of Ireland.

Can you please change this to
John Pierce - Black and white collection of irish photographes

I am not spamming or adding any extra keywords, I actually want to simplify the listing.

Thank you very much for your time!

In the category where your site is listed, there is a link to submit an update request....


Spammy, keyword loaded, updates are rejected without hesitation..

already used the update link

Hi,

I have already submitted an update twice over the past month. I have head nothing in reply hence I decided to use this forum.

Your site title is John Pierce Photography that's what you have on the front page, why would an editor change it?

In addition John Pierce Photography is the company name on the contact page. ODP guidelines prefer to use the company name as the title.

updated

John Pierce Photography is not a registered name. We are easy to what name we use. The whole idea is to use John Pierce.

I have updated our site to comply with any requirements you may believe are needed.

Thanks!

The editor will look at the update requests, and decide what to do. There is no need to request something in the forum also.

I see you aren't committing any of the usual forms of keyword stuffing, but ... we prefer formal English spelling and grammar.

That's good, but I just realized there is another problem. You are in the wrong category, you are in New York and should be listed there not Ireland. You should expect that someone is going to move the site to a NY category.

To clarify to bobrats comment (without looking at the site, it's listing, or it's editing history).

The photographer/photography studio is normally listed in the Arts_and_Entertainment/Photography subcategory in the physical location of the business.

However if the content is mostly about a particular place, the site might be listed in the Maps_and_Views subcategory for that place.

If they are demonstrably different, it might be listed in both.

:tree:

>How long does it take for the editor to process the request?

As long as it takes.

If I had looked at it, I would probably have puzzled for a moment, then decided it was a definite non-improvement over the existing description and deleted it. I haven't looked to see whether that happened, since we don't do status reports on submittals anymore.

>If the editor has looked at the request and decided not to facilitate this, does he/she actually inform me "the requestee" what is going on?

Editors don't "facilitate", and indeed I'm a bit puzzled about what you think they'd be "facilitating" by making this idiosyncratic change. They edit.

No, we very strongly advise editors not to find out for themselves why they should not communicate with submitters. Some do prefer to find out for themselves: that is allowed, but usually doesn't take very long. Either way, it is extremely unlikely that you would be contacted. How would that help us do our job?

The rationale used for site placement won't be based on what you'd like -- it'll be based on the editor's judgment. There may be many "reasonable" ways of categorizing; the editors will pick the one that seems to work best most often, and ignore all others, no matter how reasonable. Does that not seem reasonable?

Many editors look at request such as yours (based on your description, I haven't actually looked) as vanity updates and tend to not give them much attention.

SEO is something that we are utterly unconcerned with. We feel the same way about keywords. We are building a directory to help surfers, and we have little patience with site owners who attempt to wordsmith titles and descriptions in an effort to draw more traffic.

One of my cut-and-paste editor notes phrases reads:

Title and description are guidelines compliant, update declined.

It gets used a lot.

update

I understand that SEO has nothing to do with you guys and I appreciacte you looking at this and providing what ever advice you can.

John Pierce had a sucessfull business up until a month ago. His site was listed on the 1st page of Google for "Ireland Photography" and was picked up as #2 or #3 . But now since Google is picking up the DMOZ description users have to search page and page upto pg 42. We all know users wonts sniff past the first 3 pages. As you could imagine this is not acceptable for John and we are trying to resolve this.

I have looked through many forums looking for info on this and found a very helpful and informative forum http://forums.searchenginewatch.com/showthread.php?threadid=5448

My aim to to try get Ireland Photography out of the DMOZ title and description and use any alternatives "irish" "photographes" etc. This should allow Google pick my own META description instead of picking DMOZ

I'd appreciate if you could help me out on this. My only other suggestion is to perhaps delete the site from the dmoz directory? We would prefer the first though!

Thanks Guys, really appreciate it!

If such is the case you will have to complain with Google. We can't influence the way Goolge uses any data.

Note that we have about 4.5 MILLION listings; and Google changes the way they use them about once a year (that we know about). Changing our way of working, and redoing our previous work, because anyone, even Google, changes how they use it, isn't acceptable.

I should also add, that in my experience trying to blame a major change in Google results on a single feature, generally provides some pretty incredible theories, and this is more incredible than most.

can you delete my entry from dmoz please

Ok, so I'm in a bit of a dilemma then.... if you are not willing to edit my entry is it possible for you to delete my it from dmoz? :icon_idea That is the only way around this?

Thanks

No. For the same reason you can not ask us to list a site you can also not ask us to not list a site.
We will only remove a site if either
1) the site is removed from the internet
or
2) the site violates DMOZ guidelines about which sites we list

Question...

hutcheson said:

I see you aren't committing any of the usual forms of keyword stuffing...

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Hey Hutch, this caught my eye. Forgive me for sounding naive but what did you mean by this and how did you look for it. Just curious because I don't want to be inadvertantly doing something that might hurt a legitimate submission!

>> what did you mean by this and how did you look for it <<

Aha! Most editors probably (I am not them, so I can't be certain) just read that question as:

"Please tell me how to tone my spam down so that it just passes your threshold of not being spam?"

and so it is unlikely to get an answer.

You see the dilemma we face?

Keyword stuffing is sort of like Latin. One does not, in the middle of the sentence, accidentally switch to Latin (Jesuits excluded), nor does one, in the middle of building a site, accidentally start keyword stuffing.

Can I quote you verbatim on that spectre???