Question about listings in DMOZ

I would like to know, If I move my website to a new domain name, will DMOZ list the new domain name if I use a permanent redirect pointing to the new domain name from my old domain name.

Also is there a way to insure that my new domain name WILL NOT be listed in DMOZ? Even if someone else submits my website to dmoz without my permission. Example: robots.txt file

I see there is no way of having a listing removed from DMOZ. So I want to make sure that my listing is not added to DMOZ.
Example: as indicated in this thread, Reply line #15,
http://www.resource-zone.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=10192

Thanks

As a surfer, you can do anything for any site that you could do for any other site. It doesn't matter whether you claim to be the webmaster, or whether we could check that claim out if we tried, which we don't.

Would it be ethical for a surfer to be able to block a site?

I guess a simple verification e-mail from DMOZ would be the answer then. Think about it, you wouldn't have to answer the same question time and time again. There would be more time to view peoples websites for placment into DMOZ, and everybody would be alittle happier. What a happy day that would be.

Also as far as it being ethical for a surfer to be able to block a site. I believe there are search engine's that offer this service. Ethical - YES, and it seems to be getting more ethical every day.

What about Copyright and Trademark laws? This means nothing?

As a webmaster you can pretty much guarantee that your site won't be listed if you make it impossible to review it. Password protection, and refusal to provide a password to any editor who may ask for it, is one way.

Another way is to make sure that you have no listable content on your site.

Even if someone else submits my website to dmoz without my permission.

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Remember that many sites are listed every day, that were never suggested in the first place, so forbidding your users to suggest the site to the ODP is not a sure-fire way.

Robots.txt files won't work. Remember that it's a person following the link the same way a regular surfer would.

Also as far as it being ethical for a surfer to be able to block a site. I believe there are search engine's that offer this service.

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Every user of the directory - whether webmaster or regular surfer - can submit an update request if, for instance, they find a site with illegal content, and so have it removed by the editor who reviews the request.

What about Copyright and Trademark laws? This means nothing?

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In which context? Linking to another person's site does not break copyright or trademark law.

You may have confused the ODP with the Supreme Court. Take your trademark dispute to them who resolve such things -- don't try to drag ODP editors into your real-life squabbling.

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You may have confused the ODP with the Supreme Court. Take your trademark dispute to them who resolve such things -- don't try to drag ODP editors into your real-life squabbling.

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It's funny you should only use the word "Trademark" when refering to this issue and not Copyright. My real-life squabbling as you put it, is a concern that many people have raised about DMOZ. It's simple, Why not just take a website off the DMOZ directory when someone would like there website taken off. A conformation e-mail would solve any issues if there is a concern about idenity of a request. If the e-mail matches the contact information that is listed in the whois data, just take the darn website off.

Is there any other reason that you would want to keep a listing in the directory? I doubt I'll get a strait answer to this question, just more two or three line mean responses. As someone once said, When you are a COW you moo like a COW. WHATEVER

Why not just take a website off the DMOZ directory when someone would like there website taken off.

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Because we don't. It's not really a matter of confirming the identity of the site owner. But if a site was considered suitable for listing and the content or accessibility of the site has not changed in such a way as to render it unlistable, the directory and the directory's users are not served by removing the listing.

Once again, Why Not????? As indicated in a earlier discussion, Nobody hardley ever uses DMOZ to search for information. So why is it such a big deal? Your directory users are made up of website owners. So why not cater to the website owners that make up the directory in the first place? Who, as you put it, is being served here? I just don't get it.

As always, based on the ODP concept and design and practice, the surfers and only the surfers are being served. It is the surfers as surfers, not website owners, that make up the directory.

If you want to contribute to some other concept, there are many other websites you can participate in. (I do... and there is no ODP Fuhrer that will shoot you if you do also.)

If you as a surfer want to USE a directory that does something else, there are many other websites you may visit. There is no ODP rule against that.

If you as a webmaster want some services, there are many people who will offer them. Go to those people. We won't be offended.

I will not try to tell you what purposes to serve on your site; still less would I try to tell one of your trusted assistants to betray your ideals and sabotage your website. And it ill behoves you to ask editors here to use their ODP privileges to betray the ODP concept or ideal. And it really doesn't matter what ulterior motive you have for your attempts to suborn editors.

As for your obsession, I don't get it either. But it doesn't matter. People all over the web are doing things that will never redound to your profit. Get over it.

Do you have a problem with people bookmarking (or saving to their favorites or whatever your browser calls it) your site so they can visit it later?

That's what the ODP is - a, rather large, collection of editors' bookmarks. When I entered a site in my bookmarks (which I don't anymore because I use the ODP for my bookmarks) I chose what I wanted to call it and you, nor anyone else, had any control over that - there's always something that pops up as a title, but I usually changed it to something that would help me remember why I bookmarked it in the first place.

The ODP has title and description guidelines that work to ensure listings are titled and described accurately and generically. Again, so that we know why we want to visit and why we added it in the first place.

I'm having a real hard time understanding why you wouldn't want me, as a potential customer or not, to be able to remember where your site is by bookmarking it in my favorites (aka the ODP).

When you bookmark a website though you have controle of what your bookmarking. Not somebody else.

I could go back and forth with this forever. If you say that is just the way it is, then I guess thats that. I have no controle over my own website or it's discription or what category it is placed under. If thats what the rules say, then OK then. I just wanted to ask to see if this is correct or not.

You have COMPLETE control over YOUR OWN WEBSITE. Nobody else has any control over it. And that's that. That is just the way it is. And that's OK.

ODP administrators and volunteers share control over the dmoz.org website. Every listing, every description, every category is at the sole judgment of the editors (and the consensus thereof.) That's that, that's the way it is, and .... it is hard to see any moral or practical reason why that shouldn't be equally OK.

Now stop it, I want the last word here and I am having a hard time signing into my account.

When it comes to my listing in DMOZ, I don't have any controle over it. If so please delete my listing.

Now, now, now. You already know the answer to that.