Should I Resubmit a site??

Hi,

My website is "maybe" (no way to tell) stuck in the backlogs of a category that includes very few website, for more than a year now - I politely asked for more infos 7 months ago and was asked to wait there:
http://www.resource-zone.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=37915&goto=nextnewest

I just want to know if I can/should resubmit ? I really don't see why this site would not be included (unless the editor made a mistake somehow but probably not) -

Should I resubmit and actually i would love to have the opinion of an editor about resubmission in similar situations, I guess that it would be a valuable information for others too.

You've already been told the site was awaiting review. Why would you resuggest it?

motsa said:

You've already been told the site was awaiting review. Why would you resuggest it?

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Because it's been about 15 months that it was submitted to a category where there are very few sites....and that we are conform to all guidelines and are one of the very few businesses in this industry (online) with a real warehouse, not one of the 12's of affiliate programs type of website...I find the waiting time huge compared to more busy categories. But obviously editors are even more busy than it may appear.
Because I've been told to come back 6 months later eventually - Since no feedback is available I have no no opportunity to know if my website was forgotten.

Moreover I was asking a general question for other websites suffering from DMOZ's huge backlogs and have no clue whether their site was reviewed or not....or even if their submission was received or not.

No big deal anyways, even though it must have been discussed , why not simply set up a feedback type of email that says: submission received, accepted, refused - Wouldn't you guys save a precious time too?
Am i asking a stupid question ?

A suggestion once recieved, doesn't go away until it is reviewed and either listed or rejected. I can't imagine any way that re-suggesting it would make a review happen faster, unless it was wildly mis-submitted first, and the second suggestion is to a much more relevant category. I can imagine many scenarios where re-suggesting a site will make it take much longer before it is reviewed.

Somebody who has suggested their site and doesn't know if the suggestion was received or not may want to repeat the suggestion after a number of months, just in case there was a technical problem that made it not go through the first time. The risk of that happening is on the whole very small, but we're dealing with computers after all, and bugs happen.

Not to be rude, but all this has been explained many times before, in other threads. And as for the question of an automated status request, that's been answered very many times indeed - you won't have any problems finding all answers you need with a minimum of searching.

Hi Nea, that wasn't rude don't worry - Thanks both of you for the answer.
I really whish all editors could work at the same speed in all categories - Well it's a free service so I don't complain of course.

I guess that if not included by the end of 2006 (12 months from now, 26 after submission) I will have to assume that there was a technical difficulty.

phatguy said:

Hi Nea, that wasn't rude don't worry - Thanks both of you for the answer. I really whish all editors could work at the same speed in all categories

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We are volunteers, so don't think of it as working at different speeds but as enjoying our hobbies on our own time schedule.

phatguy said:

Well it's a free service so I don't complain of course.

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Actually, no it's not. Listing sites isn't a service we offer at all.

phatguy said:

I guess that if not included by the end of 2006 (12 months from now, 26 after submission) I will have to assume that there was a technical difficulty.

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Or the site/category hasn't been visited by an interested editor...or the site didn't meet the guidelines and wasn't listable for one reason or another. Not really sure what *technical difficulty* you were referring to. The site was suggested, from the sounds of it it was confirmed to have been received for review so there really is no worrying about resubmitting.

phatguy said:

I guess that if not included by the end of 2006 (12 months from now, 26 after submission) I will have to assume that there was a technical difficulty.

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Eh no.

Let me try to explain
You suggested a site and at this moment it isn't listed.
Two things could have happened
1) it was reveiwed but rejected
2) it wasn't reviewed and it is still in the pool of suggested sites
When the site isn't listed at the end of 2006 two things can gave happened.
1) it was reveiwed but rejected
2) it wasn't reviewed and it is still in the pool of suggested sites

So nothing will change.
Ofcourse the site could be reviewed and listed in the next year. But we can't predict if this will happen.

when i have submit my site there is no email send confirm also i'm not sure if the site rejected there is email going to be send to infrom them ?

No, we don't usually send an email if we reject a site suggestion.

No one gets an e-mail confirmation. You received an on-screen confirmation. That is all you will ever receive.

There is really no need to resubmit, but if it has been at least a year, since you initally submitted and you have added content, you may resubmit once (and only once) to the same category

pvgool said:

Eh no.
Two things could have happened
1) it was reveiwed but rejected
2) it wasn't reviewed and it is still in the pool of suggested sites
When the site isn't listed at the end of 2006 two things can gave happened.
1) it was reveiwed but rejected
2) it wasn't reviewed and it is still in the pool of suggested sites

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I'll add one more, which happened to my site "acarplace.com." It was added, but was later removed for what appear to be incorrect or spurious reasons about two years ago. Since then, nothing has happened - resubmitting does not work and it's victim to the logic of "if it's any good, we'll list it even if you don't submit it." An editor from this forum did say there was no valid reason he could find for the site to remain unlisted, but unlisted it remains, and probably will always be.

So...

3) It was reviewed, accepted, then rejected, and will forever sit in an editor's bookmarks list.

On the lighter side, I have had very positive experiences with dmoz in specific categories as well (I'm not just a car person, and frankly the spam is pretty thick and heavy in car sites, so I kind of understand this sort of thing if not the webmaster-is-always-wrong attitude that tends to go with it.) Editors of categories with relatively little spam-and-affiliate-sites tend to be much friendlier and responsive, I suspect, than those who are constantly confronted with sleazoids.

As an ex editor, I'm sure you're well aware that sites aren't guaranteed permanent listings; they can be moved to unrevs or deleted for all sorts of reasons. You'll also remember that it can sometimes take longer than a webmaster might like to process any re-listing suggestions.

The question is not is there a reason for the site to be unlisted, but is there now a reason for the site to be listed. I really can't see one.

This is a lot more of site review than you have a right to expect.

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spectregunner said:

No one gets an e-mail confirmation. You received an on-screen confirmation. That is all you will ever receive.

There is really no need to resubmit, but if it has been at least a year, since you initally submitted and you have added content, you may resubmit once (and only once) to the same category

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Does increasing our inventory from 120,000 to over 200,000 textbooks during the peak can be considered as adding content ?

Seriously, when you disregard the bunch of affiliate websites reselling textbooks - Only very few websites offer what we offer using their own inventory.

Then if you look closer at those specializing in college books...only 3 websites could be found and we are one of them.

Now if it was once rejected, even though I will never know if it happened or why, I would love to know the reason though because I fail to understand what could have ever cause our site to be rejected since it was launched and submitted (almost 18 months ago).

So if my understanding is correct, I should not resubmit in this tiny category of mine (/Shopping/Publications/Books/Used_and_Rare/Textbooks/) but there is a chance that my site was once reviewed so it's a lost cause...I love that

Seriously when I read that DMOZ will n-e-v-e-r send out confirmation/rejection emails I wonder why not, I honestly think that it would be very helful. Really:

- 1st email: submission received
- 2nd email: accepted or denied

Well given the 2 million (apparently) websites in DMOZ backlogs it could use some mail server resources

By the way, isn't an editor fired when he is not taking care of his assignment for a long time ...let's say 2 years to be generous ? Or it's not working like that maybe...

Ok my 2 cents, nice chating here actually.

By the way, isn't an editor fired when he is not taking care of his assignment for a long time ...let's say 2 years to be generous ? Or it's not working like that maybe...

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Hi phatguy,

Editors are not 'fired' for lack of activity... their account will be disabled automatically by the system when they haven't made an edit in four months. Editors are volunteers and are not forced to do anything. They edit in their time if they want to but are never forced. If their account becomes inactive, they also have the option of applying for re-instatement.

It actually gets more complicated than that. Yes, there is a requirement that an editor do a minimum of one edit every four months. But that is only a single edit.

There is no requirement that an editor edit within every category where they have permissions.

So, if an editor has permissions in one category each within Arts/, Business/, Regional/, Shopping, Society, Reference/, World/, etc. there is no requirement that the editor do an edit in each of the categories, just one will do, thank you.

This is where the interests and desires of the editor come to bear. As an editor, I may have permission to edit within a given category, but I am burned out on all the spam, so I stay away from there for a year or 18 months. I may not give up the permissions, because there is a lot of work involved in gaining permissions, and I may want to come back and edit there again some time in the future. Then again, I may not.

The important thing that people outside of the directory have a difficult time visualizing is the fact that it harms no one to have an editor with permissions, but who chooses not to actively edit in that particular category. They are not taking up space, they are not blocking anyone else from editing there, their presence does not mean that no one else can apply for and be granted permissions to edit there. There is nothing to be gained by "taking away" those permissions, for tomorrow that editor could "get a wild hair" and decide to do extensive editing there.