Site Listed, But Under Incorrect Name?

Hello there,
One of my sites is listed in the following category:

http://dmoz.com/Shopping/Clothing/Undergarments/Lingerie/

The name of the site is listed as "Vicious Enterprises", which is not the name of the store (it should be "Hustler Panties"). I noticed this quite a while ago and didn't care until the incorrect DMOZ data started showing up everywhere (Alexa, other directories, Google, etc). Is there any way that this can be fixed before any more damage is done?

If you visit the category and click on 'update listing' you can suggest a change to the listing. An editor will check out the suggestion and make any relevant changes.

Note the usual time disclaimers apply but updates are usually dealt with faster than suggestions...

regards

It's quite normal to use the business name as a listing's title. In this case, both the page footer and whois confirm that the business name is indeed Vicious Enterprises.

jimnoble said:

It's quite normal to use the business name as a listing's title. In this case, both the page footer and whois confirm that the business name is indeed Vicious Enterprises.

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Well, that's unfortunately that it's "normal" because in this case it's wrong. This is a completly inaccurate company description for Vicious Enterprises:

"Offering lingerie, pasties, costumes, stockings and rhinestone jewelry. Brands include Hustler and Leg Avenue."

That would be a somewhat accurate description of *one* of our stores (HustlerPanties.com). Vicious Enterprises is a conglomeration of retail stores as well as a clothing line that is completely unrelated to lingerie.

I can easily change the copyright to "HustlerPanties.com" if that will help. If you're going off of "whois" info, do you think "Evolution Marketing and Development" would be better then "Angel Bodywear"? I suppose "Belabumbum" should be changed to "Heidi Rauch" and "Club Lace" should be "CSP Media"?

I am afraid we normally don't go into the ins-and-outs of a particular site on this forum. Because the content of the site can change, descriptions may be out of date and thus the 'update option' is provided.

The best advice would be for you to review your site and its listing according to the guidelines and make that update request if there are any factual errors in the listing.

It will then be up to the editor reviewing the request to agree or disagree (which is unlikely to be anyone on this forum).

This is a completly inaccurate company description for Vicious Enterprises:

"Offering lingerie, pasties, costumes, stockings and rhinestone jewelry..."

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Without knowing much about the business, 'pasties' does seem incongruous in the context so I'd tend to agree,... but perhaps I don't get out enough...

regards

'pasties' does seem incongruous in the context so I'd tend to agree

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You do know that it refers to "pasties" the breast covering, not "pasties" the food, right? Just checking.

I thought they were 'pastease' ?

I must be getting old if my thoughts sprung immediately to cornish pasties whilst looking at the description of a lingerie site

Eric-the-Bun said:

I am afraid we normally don't go into the ins-and-outs of a particular site on this forum. Because the content of the site can change, descriptions may be out of date and thus the 'update option' is provided.

The best advice would be for you to review your site and its listing according to the guidelines and make that update request if there are any factual errors in the listing.

It will then be up to the editor reviewing the request to agree or disagree (which is unlikely to be anyone on this forum)....

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I appreciate your help, Eric. I did fill out the request as you mentioned before.

The real problem is that this is actually *hurting* my company so it is an urgent matter for me. It's not a matter that the website or company has changed, it's just that an editor made a mistake AND which ever random editor that stumbles upon my update request (months or years down the road?) will probably deny it because they don't have the information that I have provided here.

Eric-the-Bun said:

...I must be getting old if my thoughts sprung immediately to cornish pasties whilst looking at the description of a lingerie site

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You're probably just hungry

It appears to be listed correctly (and the editor did not make a mistake)

The mailing address/contact info on that site is:

Vicious Enterprises

While in fact there are several related sites under that name, only one will be listed so there is no conflict.

bobrat said:

It appears to be listed correctly (and the editor did not make a mistake)

The mailing address/contact info on that site is:

Vicious Enterprises

While in fact there are several related sites under that name, only one will be listed so there is no conflict.

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The reason the mailing address on HustlerPanties.com says "Vicious Enterprises" is for privacy reasons, most customers do not want mail delivered to them with the name of the company "Hustler Panties", for obvious reasons.

Yes, the editor did make a mistake, and you telling me that some random editor knows the name of my company better then I do is inane. What exactly do you think I'm doing here? Do you think I am lyeing to you about the name of my company, because that seems to be what is being implied.

You're also saying that the (incorrect) listing for Vicious Enterprises is the best description of the company, even though Vicious Enterprises has been around long before HustlerPanties.com, and none of our other, competely different websites will be listed in DMOZ. Not exactly the smartest thing I've heard today, but you seem to know best.

Other websites that are listed in the same catagory:

CrazyLaces.com is listed as Inetmedia on their contact page, whois and footer, but somehow they are listed as "Crazy Laces" in DMOZ? EssentialLingerie.com is listed as "Essential Lingerie", yet that domain is just a portal to woods-online.co.uk? I could go on, if you'd like...

Can someone please just erase the listing completely? DMOZ is such a joke.

DMOZ is such a joke.

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Then why are you an editor :icon_ques

bobrat][B][COLOR="Red said:

Then why are you an editor [/COLOR][/B"]:icon_ques

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That's the only response you have to the post above? Why don't you answer some of my questions 1st and I'll answer your completely unrelated one .

answer some of my questions 1st and I'll answer your completely unrelated one

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Deal!

Now, searching your post for the "?" symbol ...

What exactly do you think I'm doing here?

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I think you're attempting to maximize the revenue of your web site. That's not a bad thing, it's just not what dmoz is about.

Do you think I am lyeing to you about the name of my company ...

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No, I don't think that at all. I don't believe anybody here does.

that domain is just a portal to woods-online.co.uk?

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That does indeed appear to be the case. Thanks much for pointing it out. I imagine someone will fix the listing. For future reference, there's a thread here and another one in the internal forums for reporting such things.

Can someone please just erase the listing completely?

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Probably not, unless we determine that it either violates our standards or doesn't have unique content of value to our users.

There. Now ...

If you think dmoz is a joke, then why are you an editor?

brmehlman said:

...I think you're attempting to maximize the revenue of your web site...

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Please do tell me how changing the name to the correct name of my website is going to maximize my revenue for my website. I've already pointed out many reasons as to why having the incorrect information in DMOZ is hurting my business. Did I mention that the information that is listed in DMOZ is incorrect?

brmehlman said:

No, I don't think that at all. I don't believe anybody here does.

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Well, everyone continues to tell me that the name of my lingerie store is Vicious Enterprises, when it is in fact Hustler Panties.

brmehlman said:

Probably not, unless we determine that it either violates our standards or doesn't have unique content of value to our users.

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That's so funny. You know that if DMOZ officially refused to remove incorrect and damaging information about my company it would be the grounds for a lawsuit, that I would easily win? Although, I'm not going to pretend like I have the time to sue DMOZ over something so incredibly stupid.

brmehlman said:

If you think dmoz is a joke, then why are you an editor?

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Because once upon a time, DMOZ wasn't a joke. The concept is fabulous, unfortunately the execution and egos are where DMOZ went wrong.

One last question for you brmehlman, how come Paypal.com is listed in DMOZ as "Paypal", when it's owned by eBay? From all of the genius logic that is shown in this thread it should be listed as eBay, correct?

Well, that changes my question. It now becomes: If you think dmoz is a joke, then why are you still an editor?

One of your answers confuses me. Are you not trying to maximize the revenue from your web site? If I were running a store, I'd sure be trying to maximize its revenue.

You may have noticed that I didn't say anything about the specifics of your title. That's because discussing such specifics is against the TOS of this forum.

You may also have noticed that I didn't say anything about the merits of our title policy. Unless the subject is brought up in a non-confrontational way and from the perspective of a user rather than a webmaster, I will continue to not say anything about it.

vicioussummer:

The DMOZ guidelines in their entirety can be confusing - there is always room for improvement. The guidelines are supposed to apply equally to all websites in all categories and, where this does not work because of specific reasons, additional guidelines are created.

This forum can only explain guidelines in general terms not by addressing a specific site. Discussions usually go better when everyone steps back from the specific instance to consider the general situation.

Posting in this forum never guarentees a faster review or preferential treatment for any website, especially not that of an editor. Discussing specifics is usually counter-productive as the forum has to maintain it's 'abstraction'

regards

how come Paypal.com is listed in DMOZ as "Paypal", when it's owned by eBay?

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Because it's a separate company and listed as it looks now. It was originally listed in DMOZ a few years ago, when it was a separate entity, it was reviewed after the eBay acquisition, and there was no reason to change it's listing.

https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=p/ir/licenses-outside

PayPal, Inc. is licensed in the following US jurisdictions: ....

On all pages

Copyright © 1999-2006 PayPal. All rights reserved.

That's the legal name.

We've strayed well beyond the boundaries of our policy of not discussing individual sites here. You've already submitted an update request and that's really all you can do. This thread has outlived its purpose.