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14Steve14 · Feb 6, 2011

I have read several postings within this forum, and there seems to be standard replies from the DMOZ team.

Over two years ago, i suggested my website for inclusion. I searched for some of my competitiors within the UK and suggested the site to the same category as them. At the time the category consisited on about 40 other sites listed. There are now about 60 sites listed, but guess what, mine is not there. The standard reply that a site listing may take a few years cant be valid here, as its been a few years.

I have since tried to get another website, connected in no way to the other, to be listed. Again i searched for my competitors and suggested the URL there. The site has 100 percent unique content, as i have wrote is specifically for that site. Again the site has not been listed.

I feel that the team members at DMOZ should at least let people know if there site has been listed, and if not why not. It wouldnt take much to send a standard form email to the email address that you ask for when a site is submitted.

jimnoble · Feb 6, 2011

The standard reply that a site listing may take a few years cant be valid here, as its been a few years.

If you choose not to believe our pretty consistent replies, what's the point in asking? In general, listable websites get listed in time and unlistable ones don't.

We've discussed automated notification systems in the past and have always come to the conclusion that they'd do nothing to improve editorial productivity but would assist people promoting unlistable websites. From our point of view, that's a lose lose situation and thus a poor use of AOL's limited resources.

14Steve14 · Feb 8, 2011

jimnoble said:
In general, listable websites get listed in time and unlistable ones don't.

So i can take it that after 2 years waiting my website is unlistable.

If an automated system were in place, i could have known this possibly two years ago. Surely that would be a help to people submitting sites. This is the people that you are here to help surely.

14Steve14 · Feb 8, 2011

Dont panic, i may have found why my site is not listed.

The category is Top : Regional: Europe: United Kingdom: Business and Economy: Financial Services : Debt Collection (49)

and at the bottom of the page it clearly states Last update: Tuesday, January 2, 2007 9:50:26 PM EST

If you would like an editor for this category get back to me. In this day and age companies are struggling with debtors and they need up to date information. 2007 is not upto date

pvgool · Feb 8, 2011

14Steve14 said:
So i can take it that after 2 years waiting my website is unlistable.

No, you can't.
I have reviewed sites that had been suggested 4 years earlier.

If an automated system were in place, i could have known this possibly two years ago.

If you had read the guidelines you might have known.
We clearly state which type of websites we will list and which we won't
http://www.dmoz.org/guidelines/include.html

Surely that would be a help to people submitting sites. This is the people that you are here to help surely.

Eh. No. We are not offering any service to people who suggest websites.
We are not here to help them. They can help us, by suggesting good websites. Completely the other way around as you seem to be thinking DMOZ is operating.

pvgool · Feb 8, 2011

14Steve14 said:
Dont panic, i may have found why my site is not listed.

The category is Top : Regional: Europe: United Kingdom: Business and Economy: Financial Services : Debt Collection (49)

and at the bottom of the page it clearly states Last update: Tuesday, January 2, 2007 9:50:26 PM EST

If you would like an editor for this category get back to me. In this day and age companies are struggling with debtors and they need up to date information. 2007 is not upto date

Those dates are not correct. We have a bug in the system that did reset the last update date on most categories to january 2, 2007.
AOL programmers are aware of the problem. It is seen as a minor one. When it will be solved is unknown.

14Steve14 · Feb 9, 2011

pvgool said:
Eh. No. We are not offering any service to people who suggest websites.
We are not here to help them. They can help us, by suggesting good websites. Completely the other way around as you seem to be thinking DMOZ is operating.

No you are offering a service to people who use DMOZ to search for sites. If only they new the information they were using could be years out of date.

14Steve14 · Feb 9, 2011

If you had read the guidelines you might have known.
We clearly state which type of websites we will list and which we won't
http://www.dmoz.org/...es/include.html

Quotes taken fron the above page

Is the site's content/information identical to other sites?

My site has been totally written by me. It is unique.

Does the ODP include the type of site you want to add?

Yes it does. My competitiors are listed in this category. All are UK based.

Is the site complete?

Yes it is complete. It is regularly updated as legal requirements change, and the governing body update their requirements.

Is the site current?

See above. Very current

Is the site available and does it load completely?

Yes it does. And there is no malware on the site. The site passes the WC3 validator on every page for both HTML and CSS

Is it easy to assess the site's trustworthiness?

Yes it is. Full contact details can be found very easily. Links easily available to other site to check legal requirements of business.

There are no redirect to seperate sites. The site is not on your banned list. If it was ny competitiors sites should be taken down from your list. The site does not contain illlegal content. There is no affiliation attached to the site.

I would say from reading the requirements, the site meets them all.

jimnoble · Feb 9, 2011

All very cogent, but you seem to be assuming that we've already declined to list it when it's far more likely that nobody has yet volunteered to evaluate it. There are several hundred million websites that we haven't looked at and there's no reason why yours should be given priority.

At the risk of annoying you further with standard comments:

You might have misunderstood our objectives and how we operate here. ODP is a volunteer organisation building a directory as a hobby. Editors edit where they wish, when they wish and as much as they wish within the constraints of their permissions. We have no schedules or systems to force people to do work that they don't volunteer to do. ODP is not primarily a free listing service for website owners and it does not attempt to process their listing suggestions within the time scales desired by them.

Some volunteer will process your listing suggestion in time but we can't predict who or when that might be. Elapsed times can range from a few days to a few years. There is no need to re-suggest your website and doing so could be counter-productive because a later suggestion overwrites any earlier one.

Finally, since you seem to think that the category is very important, perhaps you'd like to volunteer to edit it.

14Steve14 · Feb 25, 2011

jimnoble said:
Finally, since you seem to think that the category is very important, perhaps you'd like to volunteer to edit it.

You have told me in previous posts that you have lots of volunteers to edit listings ect. You mention it in almost ewvery post you write. I suggest that you go through your volunteers, remove those that are not doing the job they volunteered for, and then seriously look at finding people that want to improve your site and its listings, keep it up to date and keep it current.

pvgool · Feb 25, 2011

14Steve14 said:
You have told me in previous posts that you have lots of volunteers to edit listings ect. You mention it in almost ewvery post you write. I suggest that you go through your volunteers, remove those that are not doing the job they volunteered for, and then seriously look at finding people that want to improve your site and its listings, keep it up to date and keep it current.

No. That is not how it works.
DMOZ does not tell editors how much work they have to do, it also does not tell editors which tasks to do. Editors are free to do as much as they want, what they want and where they want. As long as they stay within the guidelines evrything is OK.
We also do not look for new editors. Everybody is welcome to apply. The action must be taken by the person that wants to become an editor.

splautz · Mar 1, 2011

jimnoble said:
All very cogent, but you seem to be assuming that we've already declined to list it when it's far more likely that nobody has yet volunteered to evaluate it. There are several hundred million websites that we haven't looked at and there's no reason why yours should be given priority.

At the risk of annoying you further with standard comments:

You might have misunderstood our objectives and how we operate here. ODP is a volunteer organisation building a directory as a hobby. Editors edit where they wish, when they wish and as much as they wish within the constraints of their permissions. We have no schedules or systems to force people to do work that they don't volunteer to do. ODP is not primarily a free listing service for website owners and it does not attempt to process their listing suggestions within the time scales desired by them.

Some volunteer will process your listing suggestion in time but we can't predict who or when that might be. Elapsed times can range from a few days to a few years. There is no need to re-suggest your website and doing so could be counter-productive because a later suggestion overwrites any earlier one.

Finally, since you seem to think that the category is very important, perhaps you'd like to volunteer to edit it.

I'm in the VERY same situation this other person is in. However its been about SIX years for us. That's well more than "a few years". Also, I HAVE VOLUNTEERED to become an editor. It took them only a few hours to decline me, even though I was open and honest about everything, including my site associations, and even suggested one other site that wasn't listed other than my own. So your excuses don't seem to be flying here.. it's been well more than a few years, and I've tried to volunteer my services. Nothing works. What do we do now?

What about this idea.. What if I re-submit in a category with a bunch of active editors, that way it will at least get looked at. and at least I have a prayer one of those editors will move it to the appropriate editor-less category. It makes me wonder now.. Is that how everyone else is getting listed ahead of me for my category? I guess. And if so, this is a very poor way of doing things.

jimnoble · Mar 2, 2011

What if I re-submit in a category with a bunch of active editors, that way it will at least get looked at. and at least I have a prayer one of those editors will move it to the appropriate editor-less category.

..where it will eventually be evaluated by some other volunteer. If you prefer two or more waits over just one, your idea makes perfect sense. If not, not.

We have statistics on this pinned right at the top of this this thread. How to get your site listed FOUR times faster!

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