someone has removed my listing last night, please reinstate

fakecardman · Aug 19, 2005

the listing for my website www.fakecard.co.uk has been removed from the
http://dmoz.org/Computers/Hacking/Fake_Identification/ section.

there is no reason why i shouldnt be in ther, i have 2 id sites other than this and neither have ben allowed in, which i can understand,

but my main site has now gone missing.

please can someone tell me whats going on?
if i search dmoz for fake id, it still shows up with a link to the section (mentoned above), but when i view the lactual ist im now non-existent.

please can someone put me back in?
this is my livlyhood. It is widely regarded that the moderator on the dction it a business rival. and iss sneaking in loads of his sites and pulling oher peoples.

any advise would be great

pvgool · Aug 19, 2005

fakecardman said:
the listing for my website www.fakecard.co.uk has been removed from the
http://dmoz.org/Computers/Hacking/Fake_Identification/ section.

fakecardman said:
there is no reason why i shouldnt be in ther,

reasons for listing or removing a site can be found at http://editors.dmoz.org/add.html and http://editors.dmoz.org/guidelines/include.html

fakecardman said:
please can someone tell me whats going on?

No. This questions is seen as a status request, which we nolonger will be answering.

fakecardman said:
if i search dmoz for fake id, it still shows up with a link to the section (mentoned above), but when i view the lactual ist im now non-existent.

Correct. The search is always several days and sometimes several weeks behind the real directory.

fakecardman said:
please can someone put me back in?

No.

fakecardman said:
this is my livlyhood.

We don't care.

fakecardman said:
It is widely regarded that the moderator on the dction it a business rival. and iss sneaking in loads of his sites and pulling oher peoples.

If you can prove abuse you are welcome to file a report on DMOZ.

fakecardman said:
any advise would be great

Advice: forget about DMOZ helping you to make a living and try to promote your site in a different way

Brill · Aug 19, 2005

pvgool said:
Advice: forget about DMOZ helping you to make a living and try to promote your site in a different way

Agreed. Think of being listed in DMOZ as just the icing on the cake... something like that.

oneeye · Aug 19, 2005

Think of being listed in DMOZ as just the icing on the cake

Not a phrase I would have used. There is no entitlement to a DMOZ listing nor to such a listing being continued ad infinitum should it be listed. That is clear in small print when a site is submitted.

It is widely regarded that the moderator on the dction it a business rival. and iss sneaking in loads of his sites and pulling oher peoples.

Loads of different editors have edited in that category, mostly senior ones with no connection to the UK let alone the items you sell. I can guarantee that the editor who removed the site did so for legitimate reasons and is about the least likely of all editors to have anything to do with fake ID cards. Of all the categories that might be subject to editor abuse, this is one where any attempt would be spotted very quickly.

texasville · Aug 20, 2005

From above:

Quote:
Originally Posted by fakecardman
this is my livlyhood.

We don't care.
That is really cold...a really brutal answer...and you wonder why the odp is being looked at with a jaundiced eye? Hey...I don't care if it is the worst site in the world and worth nothing to the web...it is still important to this person and some civilized treatment is deserved. Show some dignity.
Sometimes I wonder if impertinence would prevail so much if you were answering someone face to face instead of in such an anonymous situation. I really can't believe such dialogue as I see here. And from cateditall's? Whyis this kind of response being tolerated? Ordinary politeness should prevail. I believe some are becoming too jaded from their experiences and need to take a step back and examine their motives for being here.

Just one more thing...how can the odp in good conscience in these post 911 days have-in good conscience- a category such as Top: Computers: Hacking: Fake Identification (32) - I mean really! And how could a site be so sleazy as to not qualify for it?

pvgool · Aug 20, 2005

It might be "cold" but it is the truth.
DMOZ is not interested in the value a website has for his owner, we only are interested in the value a website might have for the visitors/users of our directory.

texasville · Aug 20, 2005

I just edited my previous post- please read. And so what? Ordinary politeness goes out the window? This person was telling you that he put food on the table and provided for his loved ones by this site. Whether it is worthy of being in the odp is irrelevant. Show some compassion even if you can't fulfill his wishes.

shadow575 · Aug 20, 2005

texasville said:
We don't care. That is really cold...a really brutal answer

It may be, but it is factual. The reallity of the situation is that editors aren't/cannot be/won't ever be concerned with how the site makes the owner money. The only thing that concerns us is that the information supplied on the site is unique, relevent and of use to the surfer who might be looking for it.

oneeye said:
Loads of different editors have edited in that category, mostly senior ones with no connection to the UK let alone the items you sell. I can guarantee that the editor who removed the site did so for legitimate reasons and is about the least likely of all editors to have anything to do with fake ID cards. Of all the categories that might be subject to editor abuse, this is one where any attempt would be spotted very quickly.

Well said oneeye, that basically sums up this issue.

shadow575 · Aug 20, 2005

texasville said:
And so what? Ordinary politeness goes out the window? This person was telling you that he put food on the table and provided for his loved ones by this site. Whether it is worthy of being in the odp is irrelevant. Show some compassion even if you can't fulfill his wishes.

Compassion?

fakecardman said:
It is widely regarded that the moderator on the dction it a business rival. and iss sneaking in loads of his sites and pulling oher peoples.

We all put food on our tables too, and still find time to volunteer as editors. I take offense when editors are blatantly accused of abuse without proof. Where is the compassion for the editors who have worked in that section?

gimmster · Aug 20, 2005

Just one more thing...how can the odp in good conscience in these post 911 days have-in good conscience- a category such as Top: Computers: Hacking: Fake Identification (32) - I mean really! And how could a site be so sleazy as to not qualify for it?

We don't list illegal sites, sites that act within the law are providing informational content about the company and it's products, and so we continue to list them.

We really cannot comment on how a site can fail to qualify for listing. The actual listing guidelines, and associated penalties (if any), are all provided in public documents.

texasville · Aug 20, 2005

>>>It may be, but it is factual. The reallity of the situation is that editors aren't/cannot be/won't ever be concerned with how the site makes the owner money. The only thing that concerns us is that the information supplied on the site is unique, relevent and of use to the surfer who might be looking for it. <<<(Al Qaeda surfers? Jihad surfers?)

I have no argument with that...but the delivery really lacks..and common courtesy should rule. And you still didn't address my statement...why do you promote any sites that deal in fake id's and credentials in this post 911 times?
Do ya'll really have an inkling as to what you are doing? And how can a site be so sleazy as to not qualify for it?

shadow575 · Aug 20, 2005

See the post above you, gimmster addressed these questions already.

texasville · Aug 20, 2005

Sorry Shadow but a good number of those sites are committing class a misdemeanors in my state and if found operating within our borders face 10,000 dollar fines and 2-10 in state prison.

shadow575 · Aug 20, 2005

texasville said:
Sorry Shadow but a good number of those sites are committing class a misdemeanors in my state and if found operating within our borders face 10,000 dollar fines and 2-10 in state prison.

Yes it may be in the US, but the directory is global, it may be illegal here, but apparently not in the UK (I don't claim to know the laws throughout the world) and many (if not most, I havent really looked) are UK sites but I am not going to argue legality of anything. I will leave that up to someone more experienced then I am.

texasville · Aug 20, 2005

Child porn isn't illegal everywhere but odp wouldn't list that either. Please consider what the odp is facilitating here. Does the FBI read the odp? God, I hope so.

texasville · Aug 20, 2005

Please understand, I am not intending to troll here...I am only trying to reason. I really think the odp staff needs to take a serious look at this. Thanks for your understanding.

gimmster · Aug 20, 2005

I thunk I remembered this question lately about another UK ID site.

i have 2 id sites other than this

I count 3 others.

a good number of those sites are committing class a misdemeanors in my state and if found operating

Thats probably true, the thing is it's not within our remit to make that judgement, nor where they are operating. If a court of law finds them acting illegally, the business will disappear, the site will be taken down, and we will remove the listing as non working. We can't be expected to act as the internet police, and we don't accept that role.

texasville · Aug 20, 2005

Then you would post sites and categories that promote child porn...after all...you aren't the internet police...sorry to be that blunt...but this is really serious.

gimmster · Aug 20, 2005

Child porn isn't illegal everywhere but odp wouldn't list that either.

It isn't?
It is however one of the things we do not list based on direction from the AOL legal department (if I recall correctly). http://dmoz.org/guidelines/include.html#illegal are the guidelines we work within.

:tree:

motsa · Aug 20, 2005

<<<(Al Qaeda surfers? Jihad surfers?)

Do you seriously think that terrorists have to rely on mail order or Internet fake ID companies to get false identification?

If you have issues with any category's legality, you should address your concerns to ODP staff at staff@dmoz.org.

Child porn isn't illegal everywhere but odp wouldn't list that either.

Click to expand...

It isn't?

I thought it was, at least in enough countries to qualify as essentially global.

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