Status http://www.france-hotels.net

Hello,

After 3 years listed in the Dmoz listing, my site disappear.
http://www.france-hotels.net

I re-submit it to :
Top: Regional: Europe: France: Regions: Ile-de-France: Paris: Guides and Directories

My site is already listed in the french directory.
What is his status ?

Thank you

>I re-submit it...
Oh, yes. To more than the "one best category" the submitters' guidelines talk about. For instance, the site is not about anything in Paris (it's about something all over France) and therefore it should NOT go in the Paris category.

But it has been submitted so many times, and editors have spent so much effort moving it to less-inappropriate categories (does the word "spam" spring to mind here? It should...) that I can't tell where it might be waiting review.

IMO, if it is listable at all, it would go in http://dmoz.org/Regional/Europe/France/Travel_and_Tourism:/Lodging/ Hotels but it is not waiting for review there.

Thank for your reply you said "site is not about anything in Paris ", if you read the home page and visit the site you will see :
".. a complete parisian hotels directory with more than 800 Hotels in Paris .."

We also provide :

Monuments & Museums in Paris
Transport in Paris
Restaurants in Paris
SightSeeing Tours in Paris
Apartment Rentals in Paris
Shuttles Service in Paris

We propose 800 hotels in Paris and only 70 in France, so for me our service is better for a someone who wants to come to Paris.

But as you recomend I re-submit it to :
http://dmoz.org/Regional/Europe/France/Travel_and_Tourism:/Lodging/

Even if i think that the right category is Paris.

I nerver submit this site many times, i have several "internal server error" during the post, so yes i did a back and repost it.

And what's about the fact that the site disappear last month from the index ?

Thanks

Actually since your site is a hotel lodging affiliate, it won't be listed. Period.

There is an error this site is not a affiliate site, he has it own database, content and booking engine (no cnghotel or expedia or hotel.com ec...).
I will be pleased with a proof of this affiliation.

The site France-Hotel can provide affiliation for others sites but there is no affiliate site listed in Dmoz, so i don't understand the problem to be listed.

And it was listed since around 2-3 years and just disappear last month (perhaps with an update).

Cordially

Then why do I get redirected to another site when I try to book a hotel? The same site appears to be the contact e-mail for your booking service and a bunch of other France hotel booking sites. Not eligible for a dmoz listing - sorry.

FYI see previous thread where this site was mentionned.

Hello,

Darker wrote :
"No, it doesn't look like an affiliate site.

But it is really hard to see what it offers that the listed http://www.france-hotels.net/ by the same owner doesn't also offer. "

www.Hotelinnparis.com is not listed in dmoz because you think it's an affiliate of France-hotels.net
And now you don't want to re-add France-hotels.net because for you it's an affiliate of HotelinnParis. It's a vicious circle ! ;-)

Even none of these sites are listed, i just would like that france-hotels.net come back to the dmoz.

Cordially

Hi Madx,

I'm sorry, but it seems quite clear that the site does not offer unique content.

Identical hotel descriptions can easily be found on other sites, who all collect data from a major hotel lodging affiliate content provider.

This site is not an affiliate site, could you give me the site that provide the content of France-hotels.net ?
I has its own content, price, and availability.
Off course you will find sometime the same description because hotels give the same brochure or text to all sites.
For some hotels, you can go to expedia, cnghotel, worldres or france-hotels and you will find the same photos or text, does that mean expedia is an affiliate of worldres or france-hotels ?

Best regards

You are redirected to our secure web server (secure.amsm.net), so you can see it's not an affiliate site.
AMS is the owner of France-hotels.net
AMS create web sites
Could you give me one exemple of one hotel's web site listed in dmoz and owned by AMS ?

Cordially

You are redirected to our secure web server (secure.amsm.net), so you can see it's not an affiliate site.

Which is why amsm.net is eligible for a listing and france-hotels.net isn't. The standard for inclusion in DMOZ is unique content. Doing a search on Google produces two other hotel booking sites that use amsm.net. As such the content on France-hotels.com is not unique which is why the site won't be listed.

secrue.amsm.net is only a secure web server, it is used for SSL certificat, many of yours clients use this server.
secure.amsm.net doesn't have content.
AMS is the name of our company, France-hotels.net is our hotels portal.

If you go to www.amsm.net or secure.amsm.net you will never find a hotel portal so there is no reason to index secure.amsm.net

I understand that in dmoz you don't add sites which has the same content that a site already listed.
So could you give me which of my site is already listed in dmoz and have the same content as france-hotels.net ?

if you go that way you will never index site as expedia.com, worldres.com, hotels.com etc.. because you will find similar contents on others wed sites.

It's just too bad that these hotel bookings sites are so complicated for us poor editors to deal with. Why is it like that? Maybe we should either list them ALL or delete them ALL so we don't have to waste any time thinking about them <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" alt="" /> All this debating really makes my head hurt.

I looked at the site a bit, and I saw that other editors thought it was an affiliate -- and I saw evidence that would lead that way.

I also saw indications (no evidence) that it _might_ have actually been an independent database -- which, I admit, is not something I see very often. (I'm not going to say what that indication was, because I know it could easily have been faked. And for the same reason, _I'm_ not going to list the site myself -- I don't know the business well enough.)

The fact is, hotel directories are among our most viscious spammers. And they know we're on to them, so they keep coming up with more and more devious ways of hiding the affiliation. It would take a lot of time to investigate this site, to see whether it is not a new level of deviousness, like most sites in this position are.

And, on the other hand, hotel directories don't add very much value to the ODP, which already HAS categories of hotels, and most hotels already have their own website. So what's the point in spending a lot of time reviewing lists of content that just duplicates part of the directory?

So you may have to wait a while for a volunteer editor to think this one is worth re-investigating.

It's easy to see it's not an affiliate.
Just test it, we propose 3 differents way of booking.
We use a french payment system under our name that a evidence.
I added a special message for dmoz in the description of an hotel to show you we are not affiliate.

http://www.france-hotels.net/english/free_promo.asp?id=210

The advantage to have a hotel directory easy, if you want to prepare a trip, you will find all your needs in one site. You can compare and have availabilites very fast wihtout filling 10 different forms and waiting for a reply from the hotel.
Moreover you will get better price in a hotel directory that in the web site of the hotel.

If you want to try our online payement solution :
http://www.france-hotels.net/english/online_promo.asp?id=2566
Ask from June 1st to 2nd.

To resume:
I'm still waiting for an evidence that we are an affiliate site.
My evidences are:
We have our own content, i can modify it
We have our own payment system, under our name
We have 3 types of hotels (online no pre-payment, on request we reply, online with payement)
We have our own prices
You don't have any site with the same content listed

I don't know what i can give you more ?

Last thing we were in the directory during 3 years.

Give us a bit of time to look at that information. It does seem that it might be relevant.

I notice this earlier observation didn't receive the canonical response earlier. Without specific reference to this site, lots of other people get into this situation, and it's NOT NECESSARY:

&gt;www.Hotelinnparis.com is not listed in dmoz because you think it's an affiliate of France-hotels.net
And now you don't want to re-add France-hotels.net because for you it's an affiliate of HotelinnParis. It's a vicious circle ! ;-)

Look, this is not rocket science. Read and follow the submittal guidelines, and you won't submit related sites. And it is very unlikely that you will ever face a situation like this -- which, if it is to be resolved, will take time and wastes editor energy and patience ... not to mention delaying your valuable listing.

_This_ site is already being reviewed. But prudence may teach _other_ multidomain owners something more than common courtesy or common sense could have. And we'll get more sites listed more quickly.

Hello again ;-)

is it a bug, in www.dmoz.org when i do a search with:
france-hotels.net

I have this response :
Search: france-hotels.net

Open Directory Categories (1-1 of 1)
World: Français: Régional: France: Voyages et tourisme: Hébergement: Guides et répertoires (1 match)

Open Directory Sites (1-1 of 1)

France Hotels - Service de réservation d'hôtels.
-- http://www.france-hotels.net World: Français: Régional: France: Voyages et tourisme: Hébergement: Guides et répertoires (1)

But if I go inside the Directory Categories my iste is not listed.

It's new 2 weeks ago i was listed.

Cordially.

The site was removed pending a fuller investigation. We received the information you sent us, and are in the process of discussing whether or not to reinstate your listings.

Unfortunately our internal forums are down at the moment, but expect a definative answer within the week.