Status: http://www.kaba-benzing-usa.com

Hello,

does anybody know the status of

http://www.kaba-benzing-usa.com/

submitted to

http://dmoz.org/Computers/Software/Human_Resources/Time_Keeping_Systems/

The first time I submitted this site was in february ... would appreciate your help!

Thanks,

As a subsite of http://www.kaba-benzing.com/ , which was also submitted to this category, and which is also listed in two other places (a Business category and a Regional category), I doubt this site will be listed. It is, however, awaiting review, as is the main site, along with over 100 others.

I also note that http://www.kaba.com/ has a listing.

Thanks for your quick answer ... I was thinking that it could be a problem that we already have a listing from our Holding that you also mentioned in your post. When I submitted the site I also wrote this to the editor and trying to explain that the website, the products and the customers we have are different from the other companies within the Kaba Holding.

I hope they will see the differences by reviewing the website and compare it to the others.

>As a subsite of http://www.kaba-benzing.com/ , which was also submitted to this category...

>I was thinking that it could be a problem that we already have a listing from our Holding that you also mentioned in your post.
No, it is no problem at all. You already have a site listed in that category, and you may add all the content you want, any time you want, to it, without waiting for an editor to review it.

>When I submitted the site I also wrote this to the editor and trying to explain that the website, the products and the customers we have are different from the other companies within the Kaba Holding.

Same company, same category -- the products obviously aren't different enough for us to have separate categories for them. As for different customers -- that's not something we take into account.

>As for the 'websites being different' allegation, the fact is that the domains are RELATED -- and the submittal guidelines says something (go read it yourself) about what happens to people who submit related 'sites.'

But from the ODP point of view, it's simply NOT two sites anyway. It's from one source, on one topic (as your own submittals claim) spread over two domains (which didn't require an explanation, since the editor can see the domain names), and it is most unreasonable of you to expect the ODP to compensate for your inadequate site navigation.

As for the 'product line' bit, I'll just quote our Head Honcho: "single product line sites are NOT to be listed."

As my post seems a bit unclear upon re-reading it, I'd like to clarify the current status of the several related sites:

http://www.kaba.com/ is listed in http://dmoz.org/Business/Business_Services/Security/Products_and_Equipment/Access_Control

http://www.kaba-benzing.com/EN/ is listed in http://dmoz.org/Business/Business_Services/Supplies_and_Equipment/Time_Recording_and_Management and in the Germany Regional category mentioned above. It is also waiting for review (without the /EN deeplink) in http://dmoz.org/Computers/Software/Human_Resources/Time_Keeping_Systems/ .

http://www.kaba-benzing-usa.com/ is not listed (as far as I know) but is awaiting review in the same category where the main kaba-benzing.com/ site is awaiting review ( http://dmoz.org/Computers/Software/Human_Resources/Time_Keeping_Systems/ ).

In other words, there are no submissions pending in categories where the sites are already listed, as far as I can tell -- just submissions for two sites in the unreviewed pool in one category.

As I don't edit much in that part of the directory, I left the submissions for an editor with more experience in the area to review. However, I still can't see any reason why we would list the USA subsite in that category, instead of just listing the main kaba-benzing.com site (if the company's offerings are deemed appropriate for that category). The USA content can be reached from the main site, and as hutcheson correctly notes, we aren't likely to list two sites from the same company in the same category. To be honest, I'm not particularly sure why www.kaba.com and www.kaba-benzing.com have two listings in fairly closely related (Business Services) categories, but as I said, I'm not too familiar with that part of the directory.

It is possible that someone might choose to list the USA subsite in the Regional category for Miami Lakes, if the business has significance for that area.

Well, thanks again for these posts. I have to say that I'm really not too familiar with the ODP guidelines.

>The USA content can be reached from the main site, and as hutcheson correctly notes, we aren't likely to list two sites from the same company in the same category.

That makes sense ... I didn't know that there are two of our sites waiting to be reviewed.

>To be honest, I'm not particularly sure why www.kaba.com and www.kaba-benzing.com have two listings in fairly closely related (Business Services) categories

Well, for me there are big differences between these two categories and for me it absolutely make sense to separate these listings. For sure our Holding is related to us, but access control and time recording are definitely two different things. I mean, let's take IBM as an example ... how many different category listings do they have? But I think that's good. You can't just put in them in one category. The more categories ODP has, the more fit to IBM. For sure we are not as big as IBM, but we also have companies all around the world and we are working in different fields. Enterprise Data Collection, what our company stands for would fit to Time Recording, Time Keeping Systems, Time Tracking, Hardware Peripherals, Access Control, Biometrics, SAP ...

But I think as long as our company is not as well known as companies like IBM, we don't have a chance to get in those categories.

Maybe we should just try to get listed in the Regional category for Miami Lakes. <img src="/images/icons/frown.gif" alt="" />

Business/BS/Supplies&amp;Equipment/Time_Recording_and_Management and Computers/SW/HR/Time_Keeping_Systems are considered "related categories" -- they link to each other. (Based on a cursory glance at the contents, I'd suspect there is sometimes difficulty knowing which place a company goes -- but, roughly speaking, we'd expect a company to be represented in on or the other category, whichever is the better fit.

As for a local listing, I'd expect no problem in getting a listing for each division of a company that has (1) a website with locally relevant content, (2) local presence sufficient to ensure local relevance -- local hiring information would be prime (3) demonstrable independence [that is, a company with two "divisions" operating out of the same address and sharing the same phone would raise eyebrows -- and hackles; while manufacturing a distinct product line would lull suspicions.

Retail corporations aren't treated exactly the same way.

The other route you could go (and I don't know if this is possible -- you know the business better) would be to analyze the current ODP category [where you think you have two sites worth listing] and convince us that it is really two or more separate categories, representing unique competitors/market segments/whatever, in which most of the existing sites would fit into one of the new proposed subcategories. Then we'd have to figure out how to deal with the few remaining sites (including yours) that didn't go into the subcats -- whether to double-list them in each subcat (possibly with distinct links or vanity domains) or list them only in the parent cat.

All this has nothing to do with regional listings -- if the site represents a regional focus (that is, there's any reason at all why a person living in the same town might be more interested in it than a person living in the next state), then please do submit to the most specific local category.