Status of AfterHim.com

donwiebe

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The submission has been received and is awaiting review. If you don't see it listed sometime in the next six months, please feel free to return for a status update on or after 24 January.
 
nea

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Sorry, but there is no change - your site is still waiting for review. There is no way for us to predict when a volunteer editor will decide to edit in that particular category, but if you haven't seen it listed in 6 months' time you are welcome back for another status check, should you want to.
 
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Is there a way that a volunteer reading this thread might be so inclined to edit that category for a few minutes? :)

Are there a lot of sites in that category waiting for inclusion?

If nothing changes I'll be back in 6 months...
 
bobrat

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Since the vast majority of editors do not read this forum - it's highly unlikely.
 
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hutcheson

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Can you imagine what would happen to this forum if word got out that editors could be induced to review sites immediately?

That word MUST not get out. Regular editors here know that. And the way to keep that word from getting out is (1) to make sure it isn't TRUE; and (2) to make sure that people who don't KNOW it isn't true, get told otherwise.

I shall now proceed to respond to this post, and carefully not edit that category, thus fulfilling my obligation to the forum, the ODP community, and the web community at large.

Cold? I think not. Hard? to bear, maybe. Necessary? Absolutely!
 
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hutcheson said:
Can you imagine what would happen to this forum if word got out that editors could be induced to review sites immediately?
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Well, can you imagine that if you submitted to a category that an editor would actually review it ever?

What would happen if there was a lack of editors, and then someone applied and he was accepted?

Well, that is my situation, I submitted my site, nothing happened, so I applied and was denied. Then I posted 6 months later and asked for a little help in the matter and you come and say you are NOT going to edit my site so that you can "fulfill" your obligation to the community?

Isn't your job title "reviewer"? If you are too busy to review my site, why do you have over 5,000 posts to this forum. Maybe I am confused, or maybe they should make you a poster and not a reviewer since it seems that you have made your choice as to which you prefer to do.

I have heard it said at many of the knowledgable webmaster forums that I frequent that becoming an ODP editor goes to you head. At first I chose not to believe it, but you are helping their case.

Brandon
 
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denns25

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Report his abuse

Afterhim.com,

If I were you I'd report Hucheson to the editor abuse. copy and paste his message with your report.

then after that I'd send the same report to help@google.com and let them see what goes on in here. Google used to frequently index dmoz.org, but not so much any more because of dmoz's dwindling lack of credibility. This lack of credibility is caused by editors with a motive of self fulfillment rather than service to the dmoz community.
 
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arubin

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Go ahead. No abuse -- and Google should be thankful that suggestions cannot be expedited. Google may not update their copy of our directory as often as they used to, but they spider dmoz.org more often than they used.
 
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hutcheson

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Not reviewing a particular site isn't and can't be abuse. For one thing, it's specifically allowed in the editors' guidelines.

For another, if it were abuse, ODP editors would commit several hundred billion acts of abuse daily -- just multiply the number of editors times the number of sites available to review. That's nonsense.

The position the ODP editors take (about accepting forum requests to modify review priorities is both ethically and pragmatically necessary (if indeed you can separate the two).

This isn't rocket science or seminary theology. It's simple basic logic. "What would happen if everyone acted like I do?" -- How useful would these forums be for their intended purpose?
 
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denns25

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Let's not distort this

Hucheson, let's not try to distort the issue and curb around what you did. Noone said you'd be reported for deciding not to review the gentleman's site at this time.

What's been suggested to report is your blatant boasting of how you're not going to review his site. This is unprofessional and does not set a good image for dmoz. It's definately worthy of disciplinary action.

I do hope that Brandon reports it as abuse, and I definately hope the report falls into the hands of someone who really cares about the dmoz community. If it does, than I can assure you that there will be disciplinary action.
 
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arubin

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denns25 may be guilty of abuse, but, although hutcheson may have written questionable words from time to time, he's absolutely correct in his posts in this thread.
 
brewery

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It is not futile, its just the plain and simple fact that hutcheson is 100% completley correct with his statement.

Again, if we went and reviewed your site "just because you asked us to", well then this forum would be enormously populated with such requests from the general public to the extent that it would probably overflow and become too much for any amount of editors, hence becoming useless. JUST because we reviewed your site because you asked us too.

Seems a little far fetched, but if we review your site based on a simple inquiry as your own, then everyone would do it.
 
spectregunner

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Isn't your job title "reviewer"?
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There is not a single person in ODP with the title "reviewer."

Our responsibility (it is not a job since we are not paid) is not to review site submissions, but rather to build a directory. If that includes looking at submissions, fine, but if it can be done without looking at submissions, that is equally fine.

The point hutcheson was making is simple: Postings in this foum do not result in an editor editing with a given category. No editor is going to look at a posting, decide that this is an awesome site, and add it. The forum rules for editor specifically preclude that type of action because a conscious decision was made that no one should be able to circumvent the editing process simply by coming here and posting.

So, hutcheson's answer was precisely accurate: he would go, he would look, and he would not edit while there. Now, perhaps he could have been kinder and gentler in his response -- but that is not for me to say. I try to read all his responses because if you listed to what he has to say, and not focus on how he is saying it, there is a lot to learn in most of his postings.
 
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webbie

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This is cool thread. I imagine if any the editors just instead of writing on here why they won't review the site or why the guy has to check back in 6 months and just reviewed the site it would have saved a lot of people a lot of time. Less talking people and more doing.
 
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spectregunner]The [B]point[/B said:
hutcheson was making is simple: Postings in this foum do not result in an editor editing with a given category. No editor is going to look at a posting, decide that this is an awesome site, and add it.
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So how can you say that this forum and trying to get listed is not futile.

As the borg would say "Resistance is futile, you site will NOT be assimilated." :cool:
 
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