status of eroticmassage.blogs.com

provider

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eroticmassage.blogs.com was submitted to http://dmoz.org/Arts/Online_Writing/Journals/

but apparently got briefly listed under http://dmoz.org/Adult/Arts/Online_Writing/Journals/
and then removed.

It meets the guidelines for a non-adult listing, although I guess it would also serve well in the adult/arts/online writings category. I read through the guidelines and the strongest case is that it qualifies for the regular category, as well as adult.

Why did it get de-listed and what's up with this adult categorizing? Please don't just reply "you have to go to Adult" because 1) I shouldn't have to be in adult and 2) the adult pw is not being provided promptly
 

sole

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Well, I didn't have an adult password, and I got it promptly. :)

It's a little hard to review your site since many of the links link to pages that are under construction and don't have any content.

However, this quote from your site says, put it in Adult.

I have decided to offer space on this website for Advertising Massage Parlors and advertising related to the adult massage industry.

There's probably more, but for me that's enough.

Here's a link to the Adult guidelines that you may find helpful. http://dmoz.org/guidelines/adult/adultgeneral.html#other
 

provider

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"for me that's enough"

You say there are many posts with no content, but there were exactly 4 out of over 50, and they were marked clearly that the content was pending. In this case, having the post in place was valuable to the reader - in fact they were in response to reader requests. 3 of them now have content. Perhaps at the time you looked, those were recent posts, but had you looked at the contents you would have seen dozens of additional, full posts.

As for offering advertising for "adult massage industry" when did that become sufficient to be "enough for you" to classify the site as adult? There are no graphic banners, no blatant adult content, and the language is well moderated.

DMOZ has set clear guidelines that "adult" doesn't mean "pornography". Sensual massage is an "adult" topic, but it is not a "pornographic" topic and there are DMOZ rules for handling this. DMOZ editors are always quick to send users to the Guidelines. Here I reference your own guidelines:

Sites that would be listed in the main directory rather than in Adult include, but are not limited to:

* Sites covering human sexuality whose dominant theme is to educate and inform.
* Sites covering human sexuality whose dominant the theme is the provision of information that has literary, artistic, political and scientific value.
* Sites covering a societal or lifestyle issue and/or a support or advice group of sorts that do not contain sexually explicit or pornographic material.
* Sites that include sexually suggestive, risqué material, but not sexually explicit material as defined above. (e.g. romance/erotica writing, swimsuit issues of sports magazines, etc.)


The site in question fits these descriptions very well. In addition, the guidelines describe the use of advertising on such sites as follows:

Links and Banners: Sites that exist to drive traffic to Adult sites should be listed in Adult. Sites that contain sexually explicit banner and sidebar ads should also be listed in Adult. However, sites that do not exist to drive traffic to adult sites, but may include non-sexually explicit points to adult sites, may be listed outside the Adult category. When you can't decide if an otherwise non-adult site containing adult links and banners should be listed in Adult or not, ask the question: "would this organization take the time and effort to make this web site available if they were not profiting off of the adult links and banners" -- if the answer is "no" then the site is a likely candidate for the Adult category.

so there you have an explicit guideline to determine that this site is not *required* to be in Adult. It is in no way an affiliate link site, and obviously exists on it's own wihout adult advertising.

I am confident that the Internet surfer is best served if this site gets listed in both Adult and main directories, as it is of interest to people looking in both places.

I note that even the initial request (which was not required to be in "adult" by your guidelines, and where I asked "please don't justthrow tis into Adult") was, in fact, thorwn into Adult (even when I was not being granted a password).

Thank you for the re-consideration.
 

provider

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still awaiting a response

I asked not to be thoughtlessly dumped into "adult" - and I was.

I received an off-hand reply that did not conform to published DMOZ policies, to which I replied factually.

Here I sit, in "adult", with no response from a mod.

I guess I should re-submit to the non-adult category - again - ?
 

brmehlman

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On our internal database, it's listed in Adult/Arts/Online_Writing/Journals/R and has been without interruption. But there's some sort of bug, that entire category seems to have gone AWOL from the public page. We'll fix that, of course, though I can't give a time estimate.

On the matter of whether or not it belongs in Adult, we will discuss your concerns internally and we will try very hard not to be influenced by the tone in which they were expressed.

[added] I've fixed the visibility problem. You can see the listing now.
 

provider

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thank you for the reply

I see it by following your link, and thank you for the reply.

I don't understand why it got listed under "R" for "real stories..." when the site is named "erotic massage stories..." and the domain is eroticmassage.blogs.com and the page titles are "tales of erotic massage"... I never would have looked under R for a site about Erotic massage.

As for tone... well let's just say everyone needs to be patient and understanding as a consequence of DMOZ editors being volunteers and overburdened. It certainly doesn't help any to see certain sites with 10+ listings in DMOZ, while other submissions are handled abruptly and curtly.
 

brmehlman

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That title, Real Tales from the Massage Parlor World, does not look like something an editor would make up from whole cloth, now does it?

If your site title has changed and you want the directory to reflect it, you should go to the category page and click on the "update listing" link near the upper right corner.
 

provider

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re: "real" tales...

i agree completely... and it sounds strangely foreign to me as well. Nice to see a means of correcting it exists.

Wow I just read all the fuss hitting the forums about DMOZ editor corruption and bribery! I guess this is going to be big in the news. I hope their are enough honest editors to keep the bad ones from killing the ODP credibility completely!
 

woody

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brmehlman said:
That title, Real Tales from the Massage Parlor World, does not look like something an editor would make up from whole cloth, now does it?

If your site title has changed and you want the directory to reflect it, you should go to the category page and click on the "update listing" link near the upper right corner.

Provider, if I was you in the current situation if you have a listing be happy, if you use the above option you may well end up as I have with no listing at all. I submitted an update for a url change over 9 months ago and have ended up in a black hole.

Woody
 
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