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kokopeli

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I'm sorry, but this site has been denied twice as containing insufficient content.
 

JakeBaby44

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Kokopeli, thank you for this very quick reply <img src="/images/icons/laugh.gif" alt="" /> .

I guess there were two submissions because on the first attempt I received a timeout error and that is why I submitted it all over again - sorry for that.

What I do not quite understand is why there is "insufficient content". We followed the rules given here (http://ch.dmoz.org/Regional/North_America/United_States/Florida/Travel_and_Tourism/Lodging/Vacation_Rentals/desc.html) and submitted to this cat. There is not limit given if you must have 1, 2 or 100 homes in your db.
There is actually a listing with just 1 condo in that cat so this can´t be the reason for the denial, right?

Any more input is greatly appreciated <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" alt="" />

Thank you so much.
 

hutcheson

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&gt;There is actually a listing with just 1 condo in that cat so this can´t be the reason for the denial, right?

Not necessarily. That might be an accident, not a precedent.
 

JakeBaby44

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Hutcheson, thank your for your reply.

So the amount of homes in the DB is the most important factor? If so, why is there no specific number mentioned in the desription of the cat - that would help a lot and might prevent from submitting too early in the game <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" alt="" /> .

I just checked our log files and found a DMOZ editor stopping by just the other day after sumbission. He/She grabbed the mainpage and the listings page - and left.

Any additional information is helpful - Thank you.
 

hutcheson

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&gt;So the amount of homes in the DB is the most important factor?

The rule is the same as everywhere else: "useful unique content." That rule would work out differently in each category.

For a directory I always ask, "can I (as ODP category editor) best provide content for the user by simply listing everything that directory does?" If the answer is "yes" -- I do. If the answer is "no" (either "I don't have time right now" or "they're adding sites so fast I wouldn't keep up" or "they have good content that doesn't fit the ODP data model") then I list the directory, as well as possibly some of its content.

Number of homes counts as "quantity of unique content." If I click on three links and two are dead, I'm not likely to list it.

Uniqueness counts. Can our users find most or all of the listings in directories that are already listed? If so, we'd be doing them a big disservice not to reject a site.
Usefulness counts: can the editor quickly get in and get a feel for how much content there is, or do they have to go through a Spanish Inquisition of irrelevant personal queries?

Concept counts. Are there other directories that serve this same niche?

Obviously, this site has at least two strikes against it already: maximally-non-unique concept, and absolutely-minimum content. The editor needs no further reason to reject it and go on to review some more promising site.

Now, could you change the site enough to force the editor to look for another strike? Probably. Could you add enough content to make it worthwhile for our USERS to have Yet-Another-Expletive-Deleted-Classified-Ads-Page-For-Vacation-Rentals-In-Orlando?

Possibly. But ... "Rising bar for directories", remember?

Aside: You know how commercial webmasters (understandably) always want the ODP to review their commercial sites instantly? And they propose all sorts of half-baked schemes to accomplish that. But the fact is, the ODP does pretty much what it is able to do using its social structure and support commitments, and doesn't do any more. People can want whatever they want, but a fundamental change would require starting from scratch. That's just life -- and not just for the ODP; other websites have constraints of the same nature. For instance (getting back to the point) this website has strong evidence of a distinct lack of significant content-collection commitment....and that isn't going to change, either, just because some outsiders (like users or even ODP editors) want it to.

So: my money is on "this site is an eternal reject" -- not because it doesn't have enough content (that could change), but because it doesn't have enough content-collection capability (which probably won't change.)
 

JakeBaby44

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Hutcheson, thank you for your long and helpful reply - now this is something to chew on <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" alt="" />

But what I actually do not quite understand is where to draw the line. If I take the last accepted site in this category than it is pretty hard for me to differentiate between what can be accepted and what is not adequate content (you would probably not call it content <img src="/images/icons/tongue.gif" alt="" /> ).

It´s not about that I don´t understand what your saying. But seeing sites beeing accepted with basically the same loss of content in this cat (if I follow your terminology) it is kind of hard to hear a "this site is an eternal reject".

And even the last addition in the subcat http://ch.dmoz.org/Regional/North_America/United_States/Florida/Travel_and_Tourism/Lodging/Vacation_Rentals/By_Owner/ is a 100% duplicate of a site that is listed 26 times in the ODP (has been added a few days ago).

To sum it up: If you say "hey, forget it, your site does not have enough content-collection capability", I have to accept it. But the regulations for this specific cat (and subcat) are just not clear enough if you followed sites beeing accepted and sites beeing declined in the past <img src="/images/icons/frown.gif" alt="" /> .

Just my 2 cents.

But again thank you for your response.
 

That particular site was published by accident - there are 3 choices when reviewing: update, delete, move to unreviewed(leave in uneviewed), occasionally editors press the wrong option. Sorry, it happens with those danged pesky human types <img src="/images/icons/blush.gif" alt="" />

Thanks for pointing it out - ain't there no more. <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" alt="" />
 

JakeBaby44

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Gimmster, it wasn´t my intention to get that site delisted. I just tried to point out an example to support my argumentation. But one thing is for sure: As long as "pesky humans" are involved everything will be fine <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" alt="" /> .

Hutcheson, while searching the forums I found this thread: http://www.resource-zone.com/showflat.php?Cat=&amp;Board=status&amp;Number=16713&amp;page=38&amp;view=collapsed&amp;sb=5&amp;o=&amp;fpart=1

In part it is exactly the problem I try to explain.

I hope for some further input <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" alt="" /> or maybe a second opinion from an official.

Thanks folks for your time and patience.
 

Alucard

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Well, I'm not any more official than any of the other editors that post on here, but I will give a second opinion, not that one is needed, particularly: I agree 100% with Gimmster's explanation.

And I'm sure it wasn't your intention, but thank you in helping our quality control efforts.
 
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