status of http://www.oceancharterclub.com

Could you please let me know the status of http://www.oceancharterclub.com ?
My web site was submited to the following category (I think nearly 6 months ago...[I don't remember exactly when])
http://dmoz.org/Recreation/Travel/Specialty_Travel/Boat_Charters/Europe/Greece/Agents/

Thank you very much and happy new year to everyone!

We prefer your other site http://www.ocean-yachts.com/

Is there a way to prove that www.ocean-yachts.com is different from www.oceancharterclub.com ?
They are both on the same server having (i think) the same IP and also the same internet provider.
The have though different management and marketing policies...

They are both different companies... The one company manufactures the yachts (ocean-yacths) and the other charters them (oceancharterclub).
Is there anything I can do to prove this to you?

Please help me with this.

Best regards,

trelosk

We're not interested in their management and marketing policies, so there's probably no basis for pursuing a discussion; in fact, nothing you say in a forum SHOULD affect the editor's review of the site at all: it wouldn't be fair to other sites that didn't come with their own barker.

Thank you for your reply. As there is nothing I can do to support my job - the money and the time I wasted - and to explain the situation of my company's website, I think that it is fair enough for the others, to wait the time to pass till my website will be reviewed.
If I was trying to change an editors opinion by asking him to help me with my situation because he related the website with another company's website is another discussion and I deeply appologise, but I dont think it can be discussed in this thread.
I doubt though that my website will ever be listed in the DMOZ directory if the editors keep relating my company's website to another company's website. As long as my company will be in the same server with the other company's server and under the same provider it will unfortunately never be listed...

Thank you very much and my best wishes for a better and larger DMOZ the year it comes.

trelosk

....and as long as they have the same address and phone number - editors may make the mistake of thinking they are the same company.

I am not trying to fool anyone nor to convince anyone... I am just trying to find my right. I dont want to seem like barking for my right.... but not only the phone number and addresses are the same but even the building that the company is hosted is the same. This doesn't make any sense, I know, and I am deeply sorry that I am confusing you so much with my problems. I've never been in this situation before to explain why two diffrent companies are in the same building and I dont think this is meaningful.
At this link you might find some answers but I cant do anything more except inviting you to Greece and see it with your own eyes...
http://www.oceancharterclub.com/charter/charter_contact_info.php

I appologise again If I might be accused that I am trying to change anyones opinion. That is the true though and these are the facts. :-(

I am just trying to find my right

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No website, domain name or URL has a right to be listed within ODP.

You could try pointing out that seperate companies have seperate LEGAL personalities recognised by the law - but obviously not by the ODP.

It is true that people submitting sites have no rights at all as far as the ODP is concerned but if they are not fair with people then they will rapidly lose the reputation that they at present enjoy. Things move fast in the computer world - flavor of the month today can easily go down the drain tomorrow.

trelosk said:

Is there a way to prove that www.ocean-yachts.com is different from www.oceancharterclub.com ?
They are both on the same server having (i think) the same IP and also the same internet provider.
The have though different management and marketing policies...

They are both different companies... The one company manufactures the yachts (ocean-yacths) and the other charters them (oceancharterclub).
Is there anything I can do to prove this to you?

Please help me with this.

Best regards,

trelosk

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yet at Ocean-Yachts.com

You may visit our website: http://www.oceancharterclub.com for more detailed pictures of our fleet.

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The two sites have the same contact information, company logo, and are linked internally to each other as "our website". They are related, even if "they" don't consider themselves related.

... and even use the same pictures on the sites.

Really - despite legal fictions about the fact they are separate companies [I'm not saying you are lying - I'm sure legally they are - but it does not matter to us] - the chances of you getting a second listing is at or close to zero, spend your energy marketing in other ways.

For example, I have a computer consulting company, which is a legal entity, but it's really just me - I have a web site for it - which is in ODP. I also consult directly for companies under my own name, and have a web site under my name. But despite the fact that legally the company and me are different and file seperate tax returns, I can't have my personal web sites also listed in ODP.

Thank you all for your replies. I hope I didn't confuse you with my strange situation. Your answers were very enlighting and they were that I was searching for almost 6 months over the web and this DMOZ forum. I hope I didn't cause any confusion or missunderstandings to you or to others who might read this thread.

I will try to find out more about the legislation of my country and how these two companies can be one and for all separated from each other...
I also want to find out why all other companies that charter the yachts of the manufacturer don't get actually related to it...

As for the logos, pictures, addreses and phone numbers.... I have explained in previous posts that it is well understood that the one company manufactures the product and the other tries to provide-advertise it to the public... I can't imagine my company trying to manufacture a yacht nor I can imagine the manufacturer company trying to provide the product to the public... It would be a disaster...

I wish you all Happy New Year for one more time and thank you all for trying to help me.

Best Regards,
trelosk

It's not a matter of tax law or corporate charters. We have some affiliate-spammers in the US who create a separate corporation for every one of their fifty-seven websites. We don't care. To us, they are still "related" sites, because the same [personal] entity is the beneficiary of them all.

It is certainly reasonable that the one listing for THAT entity include mention of both construction and charter aspects of the business. And, as usual, it's reasonable for it to be listed in geographic and topical categories. But beyond that, we probably won't go.

Again, anything you do IN ORDER TO GET an ODP listing will (quite properly) be ignored by us. That includes filing legal documents....