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windharp

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Why do people constantly submit pages under construction? Until recently your submissions have been rejected, because the site had as good as no content since it was not finished.

The last submission was moved to http:/dmoz.org/Shopping/Clothing/Niche/Rockabilly since the editor felt it was misplaced. It is now waiting for review in that category. Please stop resubmitting, thanks.
 
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phreekk

Asking why people submit sites under construction may be your pet peeve, but you don't have to be rude.

When it was submitted it wasn't under construction we were setup for pre-orders. And we had information about the bands we were sponsoring up as well.

I'm confused why my original submission to Punk would then be moved to Rockabilly. Is it possible to have it moved to the parent Niche category?
 

kokopeli

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Your site was moved because an editor with experience in that area felt it belonged in the other category. Ultimately, it is the editor who decides where the most appropriate placement is. Niche is not an area I am very familiar with, and that determination was made by someone who is familiar in that area.

As for windharp's comments, I believe she was just pointing out that on three occasions two different editors took the time to evaluate your site. The first two times the editors found that the majority of the site was "coming soon" which is clearly addressed in Open Directory Project Guidelines If a web site is still under construction it is not a good candidate for the Open Directory. When webmasters submit anyway, it takes time away from sites that wait until they are finished to submit. It was not until the third view that the editor found content, and at that time determined the site was submitted to the incorrect category and it was moved. So, as things stand, your site is currently pending review in Shopping/Clothing/Niche/Rockabilly <img src="/images/icons/tongue.gif" alt="" /> which would be the current status.
 

windharp

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Sorry, if it sounded rude, was not meant to - remember lots of us are not speaking english as native speakers.

Kokopeli is right, I would not have said so if your submission was rejected only once for being under construction or by a single editor.

And btw: Kokopeli, I am male <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" alt="" />
 
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phreekk

First, I'm sorry; I didn't realize that you were from Germany, and English wasn't your first language.

Second, can the editor that checked out my site and moved it too Rockabilly tell me why they feel it fitted best in that area. And if they could move it back to Punk or up to Niche, or tell me of a more fitting category. I don't think we fit in Rockabilly, since the clothes we sell are aimed at skateboarders and punks (and not rockabilly enthusiasts which tend to wear clothes that are of a 50s rock-and-roll style) when based on the content, clothing designs and the music artists we sponsor.
 

hutcheson

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&gt;Second, can the editor that checked out my site and moved it too Rockabilly tell me why they feel it fitted best in that area.

Almost certainly they won't. Unless they read this forum, they won't even know you asked (and most editors don't read this forum.)

&gt;And if they could move it back to Punk or up to Niche ...
They will -- if when they are reviewing it, it is their judgment that is the best place for it. Otherwise they won't.

&gt;or tell me of a more fitting category.
The way you can tell what category they think is appropriate is to see where it appears when it's listed. The way you can suggest a better category is to submit a "Update URL" request, with your reasons. You'll get the same response as for "Add URL" -- that is, the editor will either do it or not do it, and probably won't say anything to anyone about their decision process either before or afterwards.

&gt;I don't think we fit in Rockabilly.
The decision as to where to list is never to be based on discussions with webmasters -- it should be based solely on review of the site.
What you can do at THIS point, is resubmit the same URL to the Rockabilly category. Your new suggested site description will overwrite the old one. And you may be able to use it to suggest a better category.

BUT DON'T:
-- Include ANY keyword-spam, hype, and intended-target language [that is, "all the best-quality surfboarding products for all surfboardersd at the lowest prices" is the sort of thing you should be very careful not to say at all]
-- Try to dictate the category to the editor (frankly, with regard to taxonomy, most editors are used to most submitters not having a clue or a bucket to carry it in. It is a rare delight to have a site submitted to the right category.)
-- Talk about your target market. Basically, we don't categorize by target market.
DO:
-- Let the description feature the kinds of content on the site that (in the judgment of a knowledgeable editor) would cause that site to be more appropriate for another category.
-- Make sure that the content featured in the new description is easy to find on the site.

If you do that, IF you avoid doing anything marketroidish that would cause the entire description to be discarded out-of-hand before the site review, and IF the site really belongs somewhere else, that is the best way to get it there.
 

motsa

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Having finally looked at the site, I have to say that I don't think you belong in Niche at all, let alone in Punk or Rockabilly. The t-shirts that you are selling (the only thing that you're selling) just have a logo on them, a logo that really doesn't make them a niche item, however you market them so http://dmoz.org/Shopping/Clothing/Casual/T-Shirts/ is probably your best best.
 
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phreekk

Yes, we only currently sell t-shirts, and they all have a logos on them. But the site should be placed based on ALL content, not just the items being sold.

So if you check out the site, which contains more than just our t-shirts you'll find other pages, such as our music page, which contains info on the bands we sponsor which are punk &amp; rock (and one DJ). Also there is info about the real shops that carry our shirts which are skateboard shops which sell skateboards and clothes to skaters and punks. Our links page contains mostly links to punk, skate and hardcore sites. Every page within the site defines what it is about.

So based on ALL the content I feel this site is better in the Niche or Punk category.

An example of another clothing company with shirts that mostly contain their logos is Level 27. I think this could help people understand that a site is more than just the products they sell. If you check out the other pages on Level 27, you'll see that their products are sold in Hot Topic (a goth store) and the logos are gothic in nature, they sponsor punk shows and all the clothes are designed by a goth-punk from Good Charlotte. Based on the previous reply one would assume it belongs in just T-shirts and the rest of the content is not important.

How is a site supposed to be placed in a category? I read the guidelines and saw nothing that stated that a commercial site is limited by the products they sell and not their other content. <img src="/images/icons/confused.gif" alt="" />
 
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phreekk

In reply to hutcheson:
&gt; What you can do at THIS point, is resubmit the same URL to the Rockabilly category. Your new suggested site description will overwrite the old one. And you may be able to use it to suggest a better category.

Now this really confuses me. <img src="/images/icons/confused.gif" alt="" /> Cause I've seen so many times everywhere that I'm NOT supoosed to submit more than once. And secondly, why would I want to submit to the Rockabilly category when I don't want to be there?
 

kokopeli

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Shopping sites are placed in the most appropriate shopping category based on the shopping items they sell. I just looked at your site, I agree with motsa.
 
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phreekk

I thought the purpose of the ODP was so that people can find things THEY are looking for. The people that would be looking for my clothing would be punks and skaters. Thus having it placed in an appropriate category to my sites' target audience helps people find what they are looking for.
 

kokopeli

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I thought the purpose of the ODP was so that people can find things THEY are looking for.

I'm not going to argue with you, nor am I moving your site out from where it is pending. All I am saying is that to me people looking to buy t-shirts would look in the tshirt category and if I were the editor who was reviewing the site that is where I would personally find it belongs.
 

hutcheson

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&gt;Now this really confuses me. Cause I've seen so many times everywhere that I'm NOT supoosed to submit more than once.

&gt;And secondly, why would I want to submit to the Rockabilly category when I don't want to be there?

Fact: A second submittal to the same category overwrites the first one. A second submittal to some other category doesn't.

I gave you some reasons why changing your first submittal might be to your advantage. Now you know where it sits and how you can change it. We can't make you want to change it, and we wouldn't if we could. That decision is yours to make in the privacy of your own mind.
 

hutcheson

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&gt;I thought the purpose of the ODP was so that people can find things THEY are looking for.
That is sort of true.

&gt;The people that would be looking for my clothing would be punks and skaters.
That is your irrational marketroidish prejudice, which we do not share. We don't list sites based on who we think would be looking at them. We base them on their content.

You may express political or religious or aesthetic views on the site, you may have pictures of your pet or your favorite football team, you may even express your vision of the ideal customer -- but that all will be totally ignored when we're categorizing the relevant content, which in the Shopping categories would be simply the products sold, and nothing else.
 
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phreekk

Can I please have an update on my website? And is it still sitting in the Rockabilly category (incorrectly) as previously mentioned or has it been moved?
 

brmehlman

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A reorganization of that area is being discussed. I'm not sure how it will end up, but I am pretty sure that when we're done you will no longer be misplaced in rockabilly.
 
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phreekk

I noticed that the Shopping:Clothing:Niche section has been reorganized, so I'm wondering what the status of my site is currently. What category is my site currently pending in?
thanx.
 
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