Status of www.rjwmotorsports.com

rjwmotor · Mar 30, 2005

Hello, just checking on the site: http:www.rjwmotorsports.com

Submitted to:
http://dmoz.org/Shopping/Vehicles/Parts_and_Accessories/Exterior/Auto_Graphics_and_Lettering/

Please let me know if info has been received/reviewed/etc...

I believe it used to be in the index but can no longer locate it. I resubmitted a few months back.

kokopeli · Mar 30, 2005

It was listed, but removed because it does not adhere to ODP Guidelines for being listed: http://dmoz.org/guidelines/include.html#notinclude

rjwmotor · Mar 31, 2005

status of rjwmotorsports.com

I'm not sure why it was removed...you said it doesn't adhere to odp guidelines. Any way to be more specific? I know you guys are busy but there are a lot of reasons in the guidelines and I don't want to waste time changing things that I don't need to. The site itself hasn't changed since the first time it was listed so I don't understand why it was listed and them removed if it doesn't adhere to these guidelines. If possible please be more specific as to why it was removed.

spectregunner · Mar 31, 2005

You've been given a link to the specific part of the guidelines. That is as good as it gets.

rjwmotor · Mar 31, 2005

The link actually just points to the top of the "reasons not to be included" section. I think the reason is for a link to another site that could be considered an affiliate link. I was included in the directory with that link showing; it wasn't something I added after I was accepted. If I remove that link, what would happen? Would the submission process start back at the beginning? Thanks for the help.

pvgool · Mar 31, 2005

As for any site you should not ask why is my site not included. The right question to ask is: what has my site to offer to be inlcuded. At ODP we are only interested in one thing: unique content, the more the better.
At his moment several editors have decided your site can't be included in its current state.

rjwmotor · Mar 31, 2005

My site had been included, so obviously there is unique content...I'm trying to find out why it was removed.
So again:
The link actually just points to the top of the "reasons not to be included" section. I think the reason is for a link to another site that could be considered an affiliate link. I was included in the directory with that link showing; it wasn't something I added after I was accepted. If I remove that link, what would happen? Would the submission process start back at the beginning? Thanks for the help.

hutcheson · Mar 31, 2005

Don't assume editors don't make mistakes. We do. When we find them, we correct them. We did.

Without that misapprehension, the rest of your questions don't make sense anymore.

spectregunner · Mar 31, 2005

My site had been included, so obviously there is unique content

No necessarily so. It could have been listed in error, or the tide might have come in and what was on dry land before is now under water. Or it could be that you don't really have anything on your site that umpteen other affiliate sites aren't selling.

I'm not going to get in to details here, but as a very broad generality, we don't reject a site because we don't care for a single link, or even a pair of links. We do reject sites that are simply sales affilaites of other site, or that don't have any measureable content on their site that is unique to them.

You apparently are thinking: what one or tow things do I need to change to get into DMOZ. We are thinking: If he starts all over, will the next site have any better content.

rjwmotor · Mar 31, 2005

OK...If I remove the link and resubmit for reconsideration is there a chance I would be listed again? Thanks for the quick replies.

pvgool · Mar 31, 2005

To my opinion. No, there is no chance.
As stated above "we don't reject a site because we don't care for a single link, or even a pair of links".

rjwmotor · Mar 31, 2005

I'm not going to get in to details here, but as a very broad generality, we don't reject a site because we don't care for a single link, or even a pair of links. We do reject sites that are simply sales affilaites of other site, or that don't have any measureable content on their site that is unique to them.

This isn't an affiliate site though. 90% of everything on the site is created in house. I do have a link that was probably considerd an affiliate link but besides that it is all unique content. Yes it is a shopping site, but the product designs & layout are unique and can't be found everywhere one the net. I'm thinking people are reading this thread thinking it's "just an affiliate site" when it's nowhere near that.

Is it worthy to resubmit?

hutcheson · Mar 31, 2005

I don't know what you mean when you say "affiliate site." And so it really doesn't matter whether it is or is not, by your definition, affiliate. (In any case, many non-affiliate sites are not eligible for listing.)

But as for the actual goods being sold, an editor's sampling didn't seem to bear out your numbers.

pvgool · Mar 31, 2005

rjwmotor said:
I'm not going to get in to details here, but as a very broad generality, we don't reject a site because we don't care for a single link, or even a pair of links. We do reject sites that are simply sales affilaites of other site, or that don't have any measureable content on their site that is unique to them.

This isn't an affiliate site though. 90% of everything on the site is created in house. I do have a link that was probably considerd an affiliate link but besides that it is all unique content. Yes it is a shopping site, but the product designs & layout are unique and can't be found everywhere one the net. I'm thinking people are reading this thread thinking it's "just an affiliate site" when it's nowhere near that.

Is it worthy to resubmit?

Again. No, not to my opinion.

Nowhere did we say your site is an affiliate site (it had one or maybe a few affiliate links).
In the text you quoted it states
"We do reject sites that are:
1) simply sales affilaites of other site, or
2) that don't have any measureable content on their site that is unique to them."

but the product designs & layout are unique and can't be found everywhere one the net
I don't know what you call unique. But it certainly is not what we call unique. How many sites are selling exactly the same products?

rjwmotor · Mar 31, 2005

hutcheson ,

If I resubmitted, will the site be reviewed or would it be overlooked? I don't know, I guess I just don't understand some of the finer points of how or who gets listed. Looking at my particular category and going by what's been said in here, half of the sites listed shouldn't be there due to "unoriginal content". My site compared to several other ones listed are pitiful in ORIGINAL content comparison. I guess now I'm just whining...

rjwmotor · Mar 31, 2005

I don't know what you call unique. But it certainly is not what we call unique. How many sites are selling exactly the same products?

If this is the case(assuming you actually visited the site and browsed around), look at the listings in the odp category and you'll see that over half are more or less duplicate content-designs that they steal from each other. Again, 90% of our designs are created in house so for you to say that there are sites selling the exact same products is impossible. Do other sites sell graphics and decals? Yes. Are ours the same? Absolutely not.

pvgool · Mar 31, 2005

Yes, I have looked at your site and so have several other editors.
Maybe there is unique content but if we can't find it fast we delete the site and go to the next site hoping to find uniqe content there.
We look at one page and find content we have seen many times, we go to a second page and again content we have seen before, that's a bye bye.
This all doesn't mean you don't have a good site. It just means it is a site we decided not to list.

rjwmotor · Mar 31, 2005

We look at one page and find content we have seen many times, we go to a second page and again content we have seen before, that's a bye bye.

Like I said b4, maybe I'm just whining now but the same rules should apply for everybody. If that category is periodically reviewed(as it must be since I was eliminated), then half of the other sites should have been before me. The amount of new and original content on the websites listed in that category is pitiful. My site is updated almost every 3 days with new products-there are sites in there that don't look like they've been updated in months! I'm not assuming you're saying my site isn't good(my sales speak otherwise), it's just the we "find content we have seen many times" statement I can't begin to fathom.

spectregunner · Mar 31, 2005

Like I said b4, maybe I'm just whining now but the same rules should apply for everybody.

Great! I'm glad you agree.

You are arguing/shining and our guidelines prohibit that.

You insist of trying to drag out this discussion after you have pointedly been told that we gon't go into detail.

So based upon your observation that what is good for everyone else is good for you, I'll assume that you are going to stop seeking addition information in violation of our guidelines.

nea · Apr 1, 2005

The forum guidelines clearly state:

• If your site has been rejected, please keep in mind that arguing about the editorial decision will not be tolerated. Please note that at the bottom of the "add URL" screen it says "Netscape and the ODP have unfettered editorial discretion to determine the structure and content of the directory" and "a site's placement in the directory is subject to change or deletion at any time"
• This forum is not intended for site analysis or spam accusations. Please avoid discussing any aspect of the site except its submission status. "Rejected and not likely to be accepted anywhere" is a reasonable status.

Bearing that in mind, this discussion can serve no further purpose.

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