status of www.usedmachines.biz

Please let me know the status of:

http://www.usedmachines.biz

submitted to:

http://dmoz.com/Business/Industrial_Goods_and_Services/Machinery_and_Tools/Used_Machinery/

Rejected - please see our guidelines. We wouldn't ever list a doorway to another URL. Your other URL is waiting for review there though. Please make sure you read the submission notice careful - this sort of thing is considered spamming in our terms - and it can get all your sites excluded. If you have submitted any others then now is the time to say and ask for an amnesty so one at least might one day get a review.

Is the other url equipmentremarketing.com? I don't think I submited that url. equipmentremarketing.com used to be a different site but the owners hired me to remake it. Instead of taking it down they registered usedmachines.biz for me to make the new site on. Once I finished they moved equipmentremarketing.com over to usedmachines.biz. I was purposly not going to submit equipmentremarketing.com but rather if usedmachines.biz got submitted I was going to do whatever is necessary for it to be removed and for equipmentremarketing.com to be added. I submitted usedmachines.biz twice because I had waited several months so I had resubmited it. I know that the reason they had me redo it was because the other person who had made the old one could not get the site up in the rankings. I almost wonder if he had submited equipmentremarketing.com. Usedmachines.biz used to have usedmachines.biz at the top of the page but I recently changed it (at the request of the owner) to say equipmentremarketing.com. Who do I have to contact to ask for an amnesty? Equipmentremarketing.com and usedmachines.biz are the only two names that go to that site and duplicate submission was not intensional if that is what happened. You can go to google and search for equipmentremarketing.com and show the related sites and it still shows the old site links which are for the most part all dead links because this was a very recent change.

I am not saying I did not submit it but rather that I honestly do not remember doing so because I was intenionally not going to because of the guide lines. I know when I submited that you had to enter an e-mail address. Is there a way for you to compare the e-mail of the person who submited usedmachines.biz and equipmentremarketing.com? Do they match? If they do I must have been the one to submit it. I am the one who submited usedmachines.biz and can tell you the e-mail address I entered.

Interesting strategy - submit one, don't submit the other, remove the one you did submit, change it for the one not submitted. No matter!

Amnesty - post all related URLs in this thread and an editor will deal with them - it may be your predecessor submitted others that could get you and your client into deep trouble.

I don't mean just URLs that point to that site but all the URLs owned by the company and any related companies. We've already made some discoveries so please don't leave anything out - you may have to contact your client for a full disclosure but don't worry, we can wait!

Don't worry about email addresses - it doesn't matter who submitted them, what matters is who owns the sites. There is a chance now to set things straight.

I made and maintain the website and the only urls that they own is usedmachines.biz and equipmentremarketing.com. They do not want to have usedmachines.biz listed but only used it so that I was able to build the website while they kept their original website up and running. I know at one time they used to share a database with some other company but this is no longer the case because I am the only one that has access to their current online database.

I made and maintain the website and the only urls that they own is usedmachines.biz and equipmentremarketing.com.

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As I said, I think you need to return to your client and ask them. If that is what they have told you then their memories are faulty. This is a once and for all offer to put things straight! But take your time, it is better to remember them all than to risk the complete exclusion penalty by making hasty statements. All URLs owned by this company and any related entity - that's the challenge.

PS - if we can find them so can you and anyone else!

If we have to do the legwork then we're more inclined to take a dim view than if someone freely holds their hands up... It isn't criticism - having multiple URLs for Internet marketing is normal practice and we really don't mind if people use them elsewhere - it is just that we don't accept more than one URL from the same or related entities and we wouldn't want to make the error of listing more than one.

I will do as you say and ask them and get back with you. The only other thing I can think of is I know that the owners brother share an office with them and he has a website, utimachinery.com. The person that does his website is the old person that did equipmentremarketing.com. I do not know if this helps but I will do as you say and ask them.

Well that is the sort of thing that might be important - the brother's site(s) would appear to come from the same source to an outsider and it would be very easy to come to an incorrect conclusion. The way around that is owner profiles on the sites that clearly show a different ownership - we aren't interested in legal ownership of businesses - that is easily got around - it is the end recipient of the income. That URL wasn't one we knew about by the way.

I think I see what you are saying. I think there is one more url that uses that same exact php as you see on that utimachinery.com but I will have to ask them what it is. I am not sure but I think equipmentremarketing.com lists some of their machines on those sites but they are a seperate company. I know however that equipmentremarketing.com only has Equipment Remarketing Company's machines on it and not his brothers or that other site that I am not sure what the url is. Is the problem that the owners of Equipmentremarketing.com list their machines on those other sites or is it that you are afraid that the other companies list theirs on equipmentremarketing.com? If the owners of equipmentremarketing.com ever decide to list other companies machines on their site you are saying that they should note that on the page that a certain machine is sold by another company right? From what I know about those other sites that have the same maker who uses that same database and script, it would be difficult for them to make that change because the person who keeps them up paid someone to make that script and has no real knowlege of how it works. In equipmentremarketing.com's case I wrote all the php and can make any neccisary changes.

I found that other one I was telling you about.

http://www.usedmachinerysource.com

equipmentremarketing.com is waiting review?

The format for equipmentremarketing.com and those other 2 is the same because they share an access database. When they send me the updates to put on equipmentremarketing.com they have an access query that only gets Equipment Remarketing Company's machines. I know there are the owners of ERC who I work for and then their is their borther in the same building. That other site is someone that lives in another state. I think they share a database because it used to be one big publicly held company but went bankrupt.

Is the problem that the owners of Equipmentremarketing.com list their machines on those other sites or is it that you are afraid that the other companies list theirs on equipmentremarketing.com? If the owners of equipmentremarketing.com ever decide to list other companies machines on their site you are saying that they should note that on the page that a certain machine is sold by another company right?

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Now you are getting complicated. Remember we are interested in unique content so if the same or similar or related content is available in several places we will list only one of those places and we don't care who owns it other than we are looking for the original source if we can find it. Or the most comprehensive source. Either way it is not an exact science.

Of course I can not see who has submited but as far as who is currently in the directory neither one of those websites mentioned is. Is there something I need to do or is equipmentremarketing.com good to go as far as ready to be evaluated? or is there some other case of duplicate submissions that I need to ask my employer about? I know about usedmachines.biz and have tried to explain the situation to the best of my ability and am telling you now that not I nor the owners of Equipment Remarketing Company want or plan on its inclusion into your database. In fact once usedmachines.biz registration period is over it is doubtful that it will be renewed. I understand that there are privacy issues and that is why you must be so broad and I am trying my best to understand what it is I need to do to give equipmentremarketing.com the best chance it has for inclusion. I do appreciate the time you have taken to help me understand these things and I want to do anything I can to make the process as easy as possible for everyone involved.

Please understand our situation - we have a lot of people who are trying to find ways to abuse the system. We are not necessarily saying that your are one of those, of course. What we do not want to do is to give them a cookbook on how to "slip one past us".

So if we seem broad and vague it is for those reasons alone, and nothing personal to this case.

Look at this through the eyes of an impartial observer, if you like - you are looking for companies which APPEAR to be the same - and I will leave the definition of that to you. It doesn't matter about site design similarities, especially - it's the content and what it tells you.

And we aren't just talking about sites which have been submitted to the ODP, either - editors try to act form the point of view of a surfer, and use the tools available to them (amongst others).

Do the same, talk to your employer, and find the information.

Hope this helps.

I understand its just that the whole thing seems so... monopolistic (if that is a word). Please understand I am not arguing with you but to not include a site in your directory because there is some site some where in the world that has simiular content seems unfair. As long as my employer's website has a shot at inclusion that is all I am worried about. If usedmachines.biz got declined because someone submited equipmentremarketing.com and it does have a shot then I am fine with that.

If this is right then I am alright with everything:
1) equipmentremarketing.com is waiting for review.
2) equipmentremarketing.com is not going to get rejected because I had previously submited usedmachines.biz.
3) this issue of duplicate submission that was brought up earlier in the thread will not be an issue when equipmentremarketing.com is reviewed.

I understand there are no promises but if someone can just point me in a direction of what to do if all of the above are not correct.

1) equipmentremarketing.com is waiting for review.

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It is.

2) equipmentremarketing.com is not going to get rejected because I had previously submited usedmachines.biz.

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Not for that specific reason. Assuming there are no other sites submitted by or on behalf of your employers (hence the need to be complete in a disclosure).

3) this issue of duplicate submission that was brought up earlier in the thread will not be an issue when equipmentremarketing.com is reviewed.

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Can't say - it depends on the disclosure. If there are no others then say so but explain any that we might erroneously but reasonably consider related - e.g. those belonging to the brother because they share common offices and a database.

As always the decision will be based on the extent of useful unique content on the site.

OK, you have an employer. Check.

We'll assume for the moment that your employer has other employees who do something (other than promote the business--we're not talking an MLM scam here...)

OK, then your employer has access to information nobody else has. He knows who he is, and what he'll tell his employees to do for money.

And that means -- he has the raw material for a website that we would love to list.

It does NOT mean that he has a website. It does NOT mean that his website USED those raw materials -- unfortunately, many companies hire marketroids fresh out of the Laputan Academy and create websites indistinguishable from the affiliate-spam-template-du-jour.

And other companies create their own template with many doorway pages, making THEMSELVES look like affiliate-spam-template-generators (and thus making THEMSELVES look ineligible for listing.

Just based on the conversation here, it sounds like the LAST option might have happened here.

We're happy to represent the employer with a listing. But we expect the employer to represent himself honestly and straightforwardly first -- and when it looks like that's NOT happening, we get very cautious.