Status of www.wolverinefire.com

firetrader

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This site has been submitted three times this year (last 8-27-04), each time 3 months apart to avoid "spamming" the site and avoid exclusion for over-submission, but it still is not listed.
It was submitted to category:

Business: Business Services: Security: Products and Equipment: Fire Fighting Equipment: Vehicles

Thank you.
 

spectregunner

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This site has been submitted three times this year (last 8-27-04), each time 3 months apart to avoid "spamming" the site and avoid exclusion for over-submission

I'm not beating you up when I ask this, but where did you come up with the understanding that the above was acceptable? If it is written down someplace we'd like to know so we can correct it.
 

firetrader

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Not very good at jumping through hoops...

I'm not beating you up when I ask this, but where did you come up with the understanding that the above was acceptable? If it is written down someplace we'd like to know so we can correct it.

As far as I can recall, I did not read it on any official dmoz.org page. The sites were resubmitted partially on the off chance the first submissions did not "go through", and partially due to my ignorance on what to do when the site does not show up in the directory. When there is no reason for the site not to be listed, I had to assume that either the submissions did not go through correctly or the editor was biased. Being optimistic, I went on the first assumption. :)
 

firetrader

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um....anybody home?

Why do I get the feeling my post here is going to get the same response as my website submissions?

(btw - the answer is none) :eek:

I should probably watch what I say here - if I rub the right person the wrong way, my sites will never get listed! :D

I have noticed quite a few posts never get any response. Is this from a lack of editors in a particular category?
 

miromulus

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1. Not every editor has editing rights in your category
2. Some of the posts do not receive answers because they are too many and too few editors
3. What you say here will not influence in any way the decision to post or not your site.
 

hutcheson

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The site is waiting there for review. You do not need to resubmit, but you may bump this thread in 6 months to get another status (if you haven't seen it listed by then.)

Posting here doesn't affect site review -- mostly, it can't possibly affect site review even if we wanted it to, since the reviewing editors may not even visit this forum.
 

firetrader

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Thank you

Thanks for the response - I just wanted to know that it was there waiting for review. Just one more question and I will try to leave everybody alone for at least 6 months. Why does it seem this directory is so critical in getting listed elsewhere? I realize there are a limited number of editors, but 6+ months without being listed can break a company (especially one that cannot pay to be listed elsewhere). I have read "How to become an editor", but what are the qualifications and how long does it actually take to review and approve a site for the directory? Thanks again for letting me ask so many questions! :)
 

spectregunner

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I realize there are a limited number of editors, but 6+ months without being listed can break a company (especially one that cannot pay to be listed elsewhere).

It can, and often does, take more than two years in some very spammy/obscure categories.

The problem is, in part, due to the massive amount of directory fraud we encounter. There are any number of things we would like to implament to make the suggestion process cleaner and more communicative -- but simply cannot because every new tidbit of information we give out gets used by the spammers to try and leverage us, or beat the system.

There are, however, a lot of alterntives to the ODP that are available to you without paying for a listing. There are vast numbers of regional directories, and almost too many search engines to count -- and the bulk of them accept submissions from the outside world. Even Google has a search engine that allows you to suggest URLs for free. I know, I recently did it for my not-for-profit site.
 

spectregunner

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I have read "How to become an editor", but what are the qualifications and how long does it actually take to review and approve a site for the directory?

The ability to read and comprehend editing guidelines.
The ability to look at a web site and quickly distill its unique contents into a fairly short description.
The ability to accept input from other editors without getting all huffy.
The abiity to work well with others and play nice in our internal fora.
Curiosity helps.
Gud speling and gramar and teh abiliti to prufread also helps. :eek:


As far as time commitments: it is up to you. We require one edit every for months in order to remain active, and while some submitters somehow this that this is somehow unfair, we find it works well. It can take from 2 minutes to more than an hour to review a site. When I first started, it took about half an hour on average, but with experience I got a lot faster. There is a lot of reading that should be done before one's first edit -- but not everyone does that.

Attitude is important. People should join ODP because they want to help out. People who join to game the system and only list their site are usually quickly found out.

People who want to increase their chances of being accepted should view the application as a form of professional examination. Read the instructions, give a lot of thought and care to the preparation of answers. Really research the three sites and write stunningly good titles and descriptions that comply with the editing guidelines. I have talked to many new editors who say they spent upwards of two hours on their ODP application. That experience is similr to my own. Plus, it is not like it is the only time you will see that form. It's twin sister is used every time you want to apply for additonal categories.
 

firetrader

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um....

Mr. Spectregunner, I guess this is for you. Previously you had asked
I'm not beating you up when I ask this, but where did you come up with the understanding that the above (resubmission) was acceptable? If it is written down someplace we'd like to know so we can correct it.
Well, I had not read this until today, but I followed the link to SearchEngineWatch that was on a dmoz.org help page. Here is a quote from their section on "Submitting to the Open Directory":
If you are accepted, you should see your site appear within about three weeks. If this doesn't happen, then you should resubmit.
http://searchenginewatch.com/webmasters/article.php/2167881 :eek:
Three weeks would be great...but from what I have seen here, it doesn't work that way. Thanks.
 

spectregunner

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No, unfortunately it does not work that way, but thank you for the link -- we'll see what we can do about getting it changed.
 
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