status on www.ukrecordshop.com

Can i please get a status on

www.ukrecordshop.com in http://dmoz.org/Shopping/Entertainment/Recordings/Audio/Music/

Thank You

I see no evidence it has been received. However, please do not resubmit - your main URL is listed and is sufficient.

The main url isnt listed? majorfm.com has nothing to do with ukrecordshop.com, two seperate companies completely, they just use the same skin from majorfm.com as they have a branding contract signed and pay for the privilage.

Should i re-submit it?

No - not at all , ukrecordshop is a subsite of majorfm.com - the fact that you have a different URL makes no difference to us - we consider it all one site. Continued submissions may be hazardous to your site review.

bobrat said:

No - not at all , ukrecordshop is a subsite of majorfm.com - the fact that you have a different URL makes no difference to us - we consider it all one site. Continued submissions may be hazardous to your site review.

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Please understand, ukrecordshop.com is not a subsite of majorfm.com, its a completely diffrent company with diffrent directors, i understand the rule of mirroring and using diffrent urls, i do not do this and will never do this.

ukrecordshop.com pay majorfm.com to use their site design and have a branding agreement with them for links etc the reason for this is that majorfm.com have a strong brand and at the time it made sense to use the brand, its like approching kiss fm and opening a shop with a agreement that you will pay them a on-going revenue for use of their logo.

I can assure you its not the same company which is why its a diffrent url, if this was the case, we would have just made it majorfm.com/recordshop or something and avoided the hassle, it would have not made any diffrence to us. I understand completely that using 2 url's is not allowed, we do not do this and strive to follow every rule listed.

Im being completely honest about this, i have not resubmitted it either as i know thats against rules aswell, but i hope you understand. If need be, i can ask the shop directors to put this in writing to confirm this.

I think part of the difficulty in communication is due to the fact that we're approaching this from such different perspectives. Some examples:

Insofar as we're not totally indifferent to branding, we're conscious of how often it's used with intent to deceive us -- so there's nothing whatsoever you can say about the branding that can possibly have any favorable impact here.

Again, the directors are of hardly any interest to us. The directors don't cut tapes, stamp CDs, stock shelves, or ship orders. Their presence by no means guarantees or even suggests the actual existance of a real business.

>I can assure you its not the same company which is why its a diffrent url, if this was the case, we would have just made it majorfm.com/recordshop or something and avoided the hassle, it would have not made any diffrence to us.

We see dozens of counterexamples to that every day! It is simply not the way marketroids usually work, in our experience.

Sorry, but we're really talking past each other here, and I think it's an inevitable result of different perspectives. You should probably focus your marketing and promotional efforts on and with the many internet entities where those are appreciated and supported.

So there is no way of me proving to you thats its a diffrent company? even the whois is diffrent on the domains, what can i do to prove this, dmoz means alot to the shop for the sake of the business...

Again, the directors are of hardly any interest to us. The directors don't cut tapes, stamp CDs, stock shelves, or ship orders. Their presence by no means guarantees or even suggests the actual existance of a real business.

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actually they do package all goods as its still a reletivly small business... and they only have one staff

Please help and guide me in the direction of what i can do to prove what im saying is correct, not being in your directory will prove detremental to the shop as all its competitors are.

Please also anylise the following:

Whois For UKRecordShop.com
Registrant:
Dreamplay Ltd (OWBFTKKGXD)
PO BOX 120
HOUNSLOW, MIDDLESEX TW5 9GN
UK

Domain servers in listed order:

NS1.CRAZYAPESWEBHOSTING.COM 81.21.69.135
NS2.CRAZYAPESWEBHOSTING.COM 81.21.69.136

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Whois For MajorFm.com
Registrant:
Kyser Soze (MAJORFM-DOM)
Never Never Land
Space TW5 9AW
UK

Domain servers in listed order:

NS1.CANDIDHOSTING.COM 64.159.90.4
NS2.CANDIDHOSTING.COM 64.159.90.10

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They are registered to 2 diffrent people, diffrent servers, diffrent companies, the content of ukrecordshop.com is not hosted on majorfm.com in anyway. its a shopping site with its own content, ukrecordshop.com does not mirror the content of majorfm.com in anyway, its not a gateway domain and does not frame any content from majorfm.com, its a completely diffrent site.

As i said, the shop are willing to put anything in writing to legally comfirm its a diffrent company completely :cry:

I understand you have had this problem in the past and are stringent when tackleing the issue but i can assure you, this is not the case with this...

Please advise me...

I have just looked at both sites and within less than a minute I can confirm that for me personally it has been at least a few weeks since I have seen two sites that are so interlinked with each other. They share content, images, scripts, forums and shop. Infact to be honest I am finding it difficult to remain at one URL past a few clicks.

http://www.ukrecordshop.com/ is easily available from the listed URL so it is of no benefit for us to give it a listing in its own right.

The fact that one of the regsitrants lives in Never Never land is of no importance to us however it may be relevant to someone who is considering making a purcahse. I would not buy anything from anyone based in Never Never land - even the one in Middlesex

Please do not continue to debate the decision as it is against the forum guidelines and it really is a waste of your time.

leer said:

I have just looked at both sites and within less than a minute I can confirm that for me personally it has been at least a few weeks since I have seen two sites that are so interlinked with each other. They share content, images, scripts, forums and shop. Infact to be honest I am finding it difficult to remain at one URL past a few clicks.

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I find this extremely strange as there is only ONE link to majorfm.com on the entire site other then the links in the top flash bar which is part of the design.

Your comment about they share scripts, no they dont, the shop uses x-cart which is not hosted on majorfm.com, as far as images, i have already said the shop uses the same skin so this is obvious, they do not share the same content at all, if your talking about sharing content as in some products are on majorfm.com, this is a affiliate script and there are many sites using this... as seen at http://www.ukrecordshop.com/shop/customer/pages.php?pageid=13 does this mean none of these sites will ever get listed. Amazon use a affiliate script exactly the same as ours which thousends of sites use...

leer][url]http://www.ukrecordshop.com/[/url said:

is easily available from the listed URL so it is of no benefit for us to give it a listing in its own right.

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Tha catagory for majorfm.com has nothing to do with the catagory request for ukrecordshop.com, ukrecordshop.com is a shopping site for urban music, majorfm.com is a internet radio station for garage music which is the corrent catagory.

leer said:

The fact that one of the regsitrants lives in Never Never land is of no importance to us however it may be relevant to someone who is considering making a purcahse. I would not buy anything from anyone based in Never Never land - even the one in Middlesex

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I appreciate your comment on this, majorfm.com has never never land there due to people using whois to send junk/spam mail but as it doesnt sell anything thats fine, its ukrecordshop.com thats sells items and thats in middlesex which is a actual county/state in the UK.

leer said:

Please do not continue to debate the decision as it is against the forum guidelines and it really is a waste of your time.

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Im not questioning your good judgement on this as you obviously know what you are doing, however it seems very unfair to me that a genuine and honest case can be disregarded like this. I have made every attempt to prove that they are two seperate companies and im offering to meet any further guidelines you want me to... what can i do...? it seems the case is being pre-judged without any facts...

A perfect example of another case can be seen at:

http://www.2sgforum.co.uk/forum/index.php in http://directory.google.com/Top/Arts/Music/Chats_and_Forums/

http://www.2step-garage.co.uk/ in http://directory.google.com/Top/Arts/Music/Styles/Dance/Clubbing/

http://www.2sgdesign.co.uk/ in http://directory.google.com/Top/Reg...d/Hampshire/Farnborough/Business_and_Economy/

But yet im doing nothing wrong, all completely genuine, proving all the facts but yet having problems like this...

I live in Never Never Land (I'm one of the lost boys) and I can assure you that the postcode shown is not local to there. More like 220 Great West Road and the other one is located extremely close to it indeed, a quick call to the Post Office would reveal exactly how close, but I don't think anyone cares enough to bother.

And www.dreamplayltd.co.uk - 50 Salisbury Road, not the address associated with the PO Box. Ah well, back to fighting Capt'n Hook...

I would appreciate if you didn't reveal my home address on a forum, we both know its easy to get but i dont expect it to be pasted in a thread and secondly does it matter where majorfm.com or ukrecordshop.com is even located? is that even the point? if this is required i dont mind giving the link,

The Urban Barons Ltd Trading As UKRecordShop.com Formally Known As Dreamplay Ltd which is no way related to MajorFm.com, MajorFm.com is Trading as a sole trader.

http://wck2.companieshouse.gov.uk/dd1538492cde5f2170fa6439dc733cea//compdetails

Was this even relevent?

In reference to your Dreamplay Ltd comment.... i really think you should check the facts before making statments...

http://www.dreamplayltd.co.uk/contact.shtml

The domain was registered when we were at that previous address... i ask again... was that even relevent?

It is in the public domain. On the relevant whois lookup - you introduced that line. The registered office of a company is, as we all know, often an accommodation address, or the accountants or the formation agent. And Dreamplay Ltd remains an active company in the registers. A limited company, by definition, is not a sole trader. Why is all this relevant? It isn't. You are trying to prove something that we don't really care about. For our purposes the sites are related and only one will be listed. End of story.

[quote name='oneeye]You are trying to prove something that we [B]don't really care about[/B']. For our purposes the sites are related and only one will be listed. End of story.[/quote]
I have just got off the phone to UKRecordShop.com and they would like to write to you as they feel they are being wrongfully discriminated. Is there a address they can write to? They obviously care as they have waited for the last 6 months for a approval only to find out it will never happen, they are actually very upset about the fact and seem to think they made a mistake using our logo & brand.

http://www.whois.sc/www.dreamplayltd.co.uk
and http://www.dreamplayltd.co.uk/location.shtml#

Suggest you update them...

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oneeye said:

http://www.whois.sc/www.dreamplayltd.co.uk
and http://www.dreamplayltd.co.uk/location.shtml#

Suggest you update them...

Whoa...

So you are majorfm and dreamplay. Dreamplay is UKRecordShop.com according to the whois record. Thanks, we got there in the end...

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I have a netsol.com account registered under dreamplayltd ukrecordshop.com is not dreamplay and is not affiliated with dreamplay, i have been saying this throughout the thread, the domain was simply bought under that account. as we set up the template for their site, i bought the domain name initially...

I can get a company cert to prove The Urban Barons Ltd is Trading as UKRecordShop.com, bank statments, legel declarations, accountants letter, lawer letter anything that is needed. I cannot believe there is so must distrust in the world.

But if nothing i can do will help the distrust... i understand and am happy with your decision, after all, you are the people in charge.

Not being funny but a DMOZ listing is not the route to riches some people out there seem to think it is. In fact you would be very lucky if it yielded a single extra sale. If Page Rank is the aim then the increase in PR afforded by the majorfm site being listed will filter through your links. Other than that it is determined by content relevance to search terms. We can play games here until a moderator closes the thread as it is seriously breaching forum rules, the bottom line is to focus seriously on content, keyword optimisation, and other forms of promotion since the DMOZ route is closed. If you expend your energies in that direction you will find a much more profitable yield comes your way. Sorry we can't list the site, but those are our rules, we can't bend them.

OK thats fine, thank your for your time in explaining your side and points... i will do my best to pasify UKRecordShop.com and explain the situation.

Once again... thank you for your time...