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pepere

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arf, thanks, how many time should I wait to submit again?
Is it possible to precisely ask to the editor in private message the exact reason of rejection?
 

marcelfeenstra

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There is no point in submitting the current site again. It has been rejected for a specific reason, viz.: "Insufficient original content".

As for sending a "private message" regarding the "exact reason of rejection": no, that's not possible. This forum can be used to inquire about the status of a suggestion (which you have now been told), not to argue about reasons for rejection.

If you build a site with lots of original content (cf. our Guidelines), it will likely be added to the Directory one day; if you don't, it won't.
 

pepere

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I think that websites improves themselves as people do. So you think there is no point to resubmit, and I don't agree with you.

And finally, you should know that other languages (3 to be precise) of the same website wirth exactly the same editorial content have been accepted in dmoz.

The website contains about 350 selected links to online games over the web collected since nearly one year now and about 10 exclusives flash games developped by me and members. And I think this is what you can call original content. If you don't call it original content, there are at least 3 dmoz editors who don't agree with you...
 

pepere

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And I just add that there are 9000 members subscribed to pepere.org, members who thinks that the content of the website worth to spent 5 minutes subscribing, that I spend about 3 hours a day on this website since one year, making original content, making such games as trailer game that was very popular in netherlands or more recently the elephant game.
I feel very sad that aaaall this work is not rewarded, that you don't even call it original content, and that you don't even want to tell me the reason why.
I'm very discouraged by this decision.
 

pvgool

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If you want to be listed in World/Nederlands remove all the games that aren't your own. If there is enough content remaining we might list the site.
 

marcelfeenstra

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websites improves themselves

We only look at what the site has to offer "now", i.e., at the time we review it. Most editors have only limited powers of clairvoyance.

no point to resubmit

...the current site. Yes, that's what I said.

other languages [] have been accepted in dmoz

You're treading on very thin ice here... I can tell you for a fact that http://www.pepere.org/flash-spil_24/ (about which you asked in another thread) has been rejected for insufficient content; AFAICT, http://www.pepere.org/flash-spel_13/ hasn't been looked at yet, but I suspect it will share the same fate.

you don't even call it original content

The page you submitted did not contain any original content as far as we could tell.

Now, if you would have put your 10 original games on your home page (or anywhere where it would have jumped at us --"look, this is new and exciting, fresh, all-singing, all-dancing original content, not the same-old sameold, regurgitated, reiterated, third-party stuff"), that would have been a different story alltogether.

(The foregoing is basically the same as what pvgool said, but using many more words... :p )

you don't even want to tell me the reason why

You don't understand: "insufficient original content" is the reason why.

Now, if I were you, I would carefully consider the advice given by pvgool, and follow it (or not), then resubmit (or not).

And if you do choose to resubmit, I trust we will see you back, same place, six months from now!
 

pepere

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But pvgool and marcel, nearly all the games on pepere.org are from me! There are 9 games you can find here , and i'm working on the 10th game.
The other 4 games are from members of pepere.org and you can find them here

The others are only links to online games that I like, there are about 350 game links but there are not hosted on pepere.org. I don't really understand the problem, should I remove those links to be on the odp :confused:

Marcel, my english is not very good but I guess you don't like me for a reason I don't understand. Ok my website is maybe a little bit confused, not professional, but I think you should look inside before taking your decision. You say that I should put all my games on the home page but at one click from the homepage (Spelletjes on the top left main menu) you can see all my games. I hope you click on it before taking your decision, because this is the more interesting part of the website.

I work on the website everyday, so if I would resubmit it, it wouldn't be the same website. That's why I was asking the legal period before resubmit it... And that's why I'm asking the exact reason of the reject, it's to improve myself. I think I've said all that was on my heart and I won't make you loose your time anymore, bye.
 

pvgool

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As we said "not enough unique content"
Only the 9 games of yours is not enough and they are well hidden between all the non-unique content.

As stated in our forum guidelines
If your site has been rejected, please keep in mind that arguing about the editorial decision will not be tolerated. Please note that at the bottom of the "add URL" screen it says "Netscape and the ODP have unfettered editorial discretion to determine the structure and content of the directory" and "a site's placement in the directory is subject to change or deletion at any time"
 

marcelfeenstra

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The point I was trying to make is, that it isn't clear to an editor, spending maybe 5 or 10 minutes maximum on your site, that you may actually have sufficient original content --in fact, when I look at the page you submitted, I get the impression that it's all third-party (i.e., non-original) content... (I suspect that's also what pvgool means by "well hidden").

Of course the presence of links to other sites isn't a reason to reject your suggestion --but the links are not seen as "original content" themselves, and they make it harder to see which content, if any, is original. (That's what I meant by "where it would have jumped at us".)

I guess you don't like me for a reason I don't understand

No, that's really not the case; my earlier message may have been a bit verbose, but I certainly wasn't trying to be sarcastic or unfriendly; I apologize if it came across that way.

==

Now, take another look at the page you suggested:

http://www.pepere.org/flash-spelletjes_10/

from the perspective of an editor. What does he or she see:

1) the statement that Annuaire pépère is a "site filled with online games selected by Pépère" [my emphasis]; hmm, that doesn't sound like original content;
2) the statement that Pépère "also creates Flash games of its own"; hmm, let's take a closer look then;
3) links to five games that all reside on other servers... I'm beginning to doubt that this is a good candidate for inclusion, but let's take one more look, at the "Strategie" page with 56 games...
4) ...that are all on 3rd-party servers!

I wasn't the editor who originally rejected your suggestion; but I can tell you that I would have made the same decision!

==

Now, just for fun, imagine that you would have divided the home page in two sections: one labeled "Original games", one labeled "Third-party games".

The editor would have skipped the second section altogether, checked the first, verified that it does, indeed, contain nine or ten original games; and then perhaps he or she would have decided that these were sufficient to qualify for listing.

Perhaps they would still be viewed as "not enough original content", but your chances would have been much better: if all an editor sees at first and second glance is 3rd-party stuff, chances are he or she will assume that that's all there is...

==

I hope I've managed to explain why it did not surprise me that your suggestion was rejected; and please believe me when I say that I'm actually trying to be helpful, not rude or cynical...

If I were you I would 1) add lots of original games; 2) make it clear what's "yours" and what isn't; 3) resubmit after you've taken care of 1 and 2; i.e., not tonight, in anticipation of "some editor looking at it some time in the future" --for that future may well be tomorrow, or next week; you simply never know!
 
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