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bpa2k4

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I had to register again and could not find my original post from over a year ago, asking when our website (http://www.breathepureair.com) could be listed in:

Top: Shopping: Home and Garden: Climate Control: Air Cleaners
http://www.dmoz.org/Shopping/Home_and_Garden/Climate_Control/Air_Cleaners/

This whole thing started about two years ago, when I noticed that one company had about a dozen listings in this and other categories, all edited by the same person. After a little investigation, I learned that all of these websites were duplicates of one website, owned and operated by the editor's wife. I promptly reported my findings, and much to my dismay, MY website was removed, along with most of the editors websites and of course, the editor was relieved of his editorial duties.

Over the past two years I have tried occasionally re-submitting to this category to no avail. I have written the editor in the next category up, asking for him to consider re-listing our website.

When I wrote here last year I asked if our website had somehow been banned by anything our previous webmaster may have done. I was told, in this forum, that there was no ban on our website.

Since last year we have grown as a company and our website has grown over 400% as we continue to offer new products for new markets. We started 3 years ago offering a half dozen residential products and now offer hundreds of air quality products for residential, commercial, medical, industrial, and laboratory applications.

We represent several of the largest air purification manufacturers in the world and have developed several exclusive products. We have an excellent reputation in the air purification industry around the world, and we regularly supply major universities, hospitals, and the U.S. Government with various indoor air quality devices. Our staff has over 100 years of experience in air purification, and we have been a leader in our industry.

Our staff has reviewed the current category listings and we see major discrepancies in the accuracy of some of the information in these listings. One major point would be that several of the listings in the "air cleaners" category are for companies marketing ozone generators as home air cleaners. The U.S. Government, NIOSH and OSHA have all issued warnings to consumers to beware of companies marketing ozone producing devices as air cleaners, and to educate them on the negative health effects associated with ozone. The EPA says "If used at concentrations that do not exceed public health standards, ozone applied to indoor air does not effectively remove viruses, bacteria, mold, or other biological pollutants.
(http://www.epa.gov/iaq/pubs/ozonegen.html).

The American Lung Association also warns that ozone is a toxic gas and can contribute to respiratory irritation. The fact is, people with respiratory conditions are usually the people purchasing air cleaners. Ozone generating air cleaners have been proven to cause serious health issues in many people that suffer from respiratory irritation. "The American Lung Association suggests that ozone generators not be used." (http://www.lungusa.org/site/pp.asp?c=dvLUK9O0E&b=35696)

Despite my attempts to convey this information with DMOZ I continue to see new websites being added to the category; many of these websites are offering the same type of false claims and potentially dangerous products that the EPA, American Lung Association, and other agencies have warned the public about.

I have also noticed that some of the very best websites that offer air cleaners are not listed in this category. I firmly believe that breathepureair.com offers the most complete body of information and line of products in the air purification industry. I urge you to consider adding us to the directory along with many of our reputable competitors.

Air purification is a topic that concerns the health and well-being of the public, especially those that suffer from respiratory conditions. Air quality specialists and agencies dealing with air quality issues all report that indoor air quality is at an all-time low, a problem that is only getting worse. With all of the information and evidence available on the internet, I would expect that the directory would want to reflect accurate information and list reputable companies that offer accurate information.

I understand that a DMOZ editor cannot be expected to keep up on every topic in the directory and that just by being an industry leader, we are not entitled to a listing, but I think that at the least, this category needs some improvement to bring it in-line with the the facts about air cleaners.

Thank you.
 

bobrat

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I should inform you that this forum only give sites status, we don't do reviews, and the person who will eventually review your site is unlikely to read your post. Therefore the only thing we really need is the category and the site URL. Sorry.

That said, your site was previously published in http://dmoz.org/Regional/North_Amer...on/Business_and_Economy/Shopping/Specialties/

It is waiting to be reviewed in http://dmoz.org/Shopping/Home_and_Garden/Climate_Control/Air_Cleaners

As far as your other comments, I'm afraid that DMOZ editors cannot act as a policing agency to guarantee that sites offer what they claim. It is impossible to verifyy that every site in every category offers what they claim.

If you see anything that is clearly illegal, you should file a private abuse claim - not publically in this forum.

See also http://dmoz.org/guidelines/include.html#illegal
We don't expect editors to be legal experts or the Internet police.
 

hutcheson

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It might be reasonable to set up a separate category for ozone generators: that is an objective distinction that doesn't require expressing a judgment as to whether the blamed things are helpful, harmful, or homeopathic.
 

bpa2k4

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Thanks for your reply, I really think that the public should not be mislead into thinking that ozone generators are air cleaners meant for home use. As this is part of the home & garden section of the directory, I think this information poses a serios health risk.

As for my listing, I'll wait 6 months and ask here again and then again in another year.

For anyone interested in more information about the harmfull health risks associated with ozone:

U.S. Newswire (press release), DC - Jun 29, 2004
Suzanne Ackerman of the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency

"EPA provides guidance on the use of ozone-generating air cleaners as they may contribute to ozone in the home and does not recommend such devices for consumer to remove indoor air contaminants from households."

http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=143-06292004

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Air Date: 06/28/2004
Reported by: Janet Wu Chanel 7 NBC News, Boston

"Persistent exposure to high ozone levels can affect kids, the elderly and people with asthma. Experts also note that using ozone generators to eliminate household odors is a bad idea."

http://www1.whdh.com/features/articles/healthcast/DBM481/

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Almanac of Policy Issues - Comprehensive, unbiased background information and links on major U.S. public policy issues.

"Repeated exposure to ozone pollution may cause permanent damage to the lungs. Even when ozone is present in low levels, inhaling it triggers a variety of health problems including chest pains, coughing, nausea, throat irritation, and congestion. It also can worsen bronchitis, heart disease, emphysema, and asthma, and reduce lung capacity. "

http://www.policyalmanac.org/environment/archive/ozone.shtml

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NASA's Earth Observatory:

"ozone is a harmful pollutant that causes damage to lung tissue and plants"

http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Library/Ozone/

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Massachusetts State Government:

"Ozone molecules are highly reactive oxidizing agents that tend to stick to large molecules lining our respiratory tracts. They react with these large molecules, breaking their chemical bonds and adding oxygen atoms to their structures. These new oxidized compounds damage the cells in our airways; this can lead to respiratory tract inflammation, causing irritation and burning, and can reduce lung function."

http://www.mass.gov/dep/bwp/daqc/files/ozonefaq.htm

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Maricopa, Arizona Website:

"Ozone is a severe irritant that can cause choking, coughing and stinging eyes. Ozone damages lung tissue, aggravates respiratory disease and makes people more susceptible to respiratory infections... children and the elderly are especially vulnerable to its harmful effects."

http://www.maricopa.gov/Default.aspx

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Science Line

"Ozone irritates the respiratory or breathing system so can be a problem for people with asthma, but it also irritates healthy lungs too. Ozone can cause headaches, irritated eyes, nose and throat and nausea."

http://www.sciencenet.org.uk/database/earth/health/e00053d.html

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Building Air Quality

"When inhaled, ozone can damage the lungs. Relatively low amounts can cause chest pain, coughing, shortness of breath, and, throat irritation. Ozone may also worsen chronic respiratory diseases such as asthma and compromise the ability of the body to fight respiratory infections.

Manufacturers and vendors of ozone devices often use misleading terms to describe ozone. Terms such as "energized oxygen" or "pure air" suggest that ozone is a healthy kind of oxygen. Ozone is a toxic gas with vastly different chemical and toxicological properties from oxygen."

http://www.baq1.com/hozone.html

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Federal Trade Commission:

"In two separate cases, the marketers of ozone generators for
use in homes and offices have agreed to settle Federal Trade
Commission allegations that they made unsubstantiated claims
about the ability of the products to clean air of various indoor
air pollutants and to prevent or relieve allergies, asthma and
other conditions."

http://www.ftc.gov/opa/1995/06/living.htm
 

hutcheson

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The ODP really tries not to express an institutional judgment on issues like this. So we're just not going to divide a shopping category into "healthy items" and "unhealthy items". That's why the information you're pointing to is irrelevant to the discussion.

There are, however, places for sites that DO express such judgments. It sounds like we might be able to build a category in "Consumer Information" (using such links as you mention.) So I've created the category at http://dmoz.org/Home/Consumer_Information/Appliances/Ozone_Generators/ and would be grateful if you'd submit these links there.
 

hutcheson

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Also, could I persuade you to take a pass through the air cleaner category and identify the sites that sell only ozone generators?
 

bpa2k4

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Thanks again for the prompt reply, tomorrow I will go to the new category and submit some links there. I spoke today with the director of operations for one of the most reputable manufacturers of air purification equipment and she had an interest in submitting some good websites to the directory in related categories. She actually sent me some of the links I referred to above.

Here is a list of websites that are listed in the "air cleaners" category that are primarily offering air cleaners that produce ozone:

[all done--thanks]

* Sites that don't offer air purifiers:

[done, thanks]

*** Dead Links:

Electrodepot - [huh? works for me]

[others done, thanks]

Here's a few great air purification websites not listed:

www.breathepureair.com - of course ;)
www.aircleaners.com
www.airfilterstore.com

I'm sure this will not matter either, but for some reason our listing in the regional category (http://dmoz.org/Regional/North_Amer...on/Business_and_Economy/Shopping/Specialties/) says that we are "dealers of Biozone Scientific air purifiers" which we are not. I will submit there to see if I can get our listing corrected.

I have to say that the 2-3 year waiting period is very discouraging, any idea how much longer I can expect to wait for a fair review?
I have to thank you for taking the time to respond, I understand that some of these issues are beyond the scope of this forum. You can probably tell by going to just about any search engine and searching for any related phrase that our website is already at the top of the results, where it has been for a couple years. I guess my point is, a dmoz listing is not going to make any difference to our google positioning as we are already positioned nicely. I do have a concern about this category being misleading in such a way that could cause serious health risks for the general public. I know that no dmoz editor would purposely do this and I hope that this information has been helpful.

Thank you,
Dr. Craig Donnelly
: )

[post edited, with notes in brackets, where listed sites were taken care of. This seemed the easiest way to keep track -- hutcheson]
 

bpa2k4

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A couple of years ago we sold some Biozone products but we decided long ago to discontinue the product line, I think we still have some pages up that have general information. Thanks for bringing this to my attention, I will make sure that we remove those pages.

Also I wanted to point out that there is a good use for ozone, restoration, food storage and commercial cleaning. At the time that we offered those types of products it was thought that there were "safe" levels of ozone and useful applications. Shortly after we added the products to the website we started hearing complaints from our customers about the symptoms of ozone exposure and decided to no longer offer air cleaners that produced ozone to residential customers.

I appreciate you taking the time to look into these matters, I will make sure that we go through these pages and bring the content up to date.
 

hutcheson

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OK, get the website deionized, then post a update URL request in the regional category. (At that point it becomes a quality control issue, which gets higher priority. And when that is fixed, adding the other listing becomes easier.)

I've looked at the other listings you mentioned. It's a pretty clean list -- I thought I had caught a couple of mistakes that turned out not to be.
 

bpa2k4

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The few ion and biozone pages of our website are not accessible through normal user navigation unless they use our site search to specifically locate information about these products. None of the products have been available for purchase for a couple of years. We have not completely removed all of those pages so that they are available for customers seeking warranty or replacement bulb information as well as contact information for the manufacturer.

As I mentioned before, ozone generators can be good for certain applications in unoccupied areas. We are considering stocking some of the commercial and industrial products in the future so I don't think we will be removing every product that produces ozone but we clearly state the intended use and the health related warnings. We will make another pass over the remaining pages to make sure that all of the content is in-line with our philosophy.

I have to admit that I am impressed that you have taken the time to discuss these issues with me and thank you for your advice about updating our existing listing. I do hope it aids the editors in reviewing breathepureair.com :)
 

giz

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Anything that adds worth to the listed data, adds useful sites to the current categories, or suggests better ways of organising existing data, or creating new categories to list new classes of sites, is useful discussion to us - such discussions happen all the time in the editors own internal forums.

The endless "why isn't MY site listed" as seen in many other threads, isn't so valuable; and often has a negative worth to editors.
 

bpa2k4

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I wanted to thank you for taking your time dealing with the issues I brought up. I really didn't expect for the post to go in the direction that it did.

Tonight I suggested some of the websites, I referred to above, for the new category that you created, which by the way I think was a great idea. I have a larger list of websites to go through, but I wanted to wait until the first few are added so that I can get a better idea of what the editor there wants, as far as style. For anyone reading this that is not an editor, I can tell you I did not expect it to be as challenging as it was. Wading through pages of search results trying to drill down to the best websites that really fit good in a niche category.

I read through some of the other posts and see what kind of "editor abuse" you guys take from time to time. I think some of these people may be narrow minded and cannot see clearly past their own little piece of the internet. I admit that it is frustrating to a site owner to not have any idea why they never get in, but I there seems to be plenty of selfish people as well. It's nice to see that so many different people (editors), most who have never met, can work together for years creating such a large and complex directory that evolves with both the internet and the changing world we live in.

I plan on spending a little more free time contributing to DMOZ!

Thanks Again!
Dr. Craig Donnelly

Free Time (almost an oxymoron?)

PS. I love the "Life is short...." signature line :)
 

hutcheson

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OK, check it out again, and lay some more submittals on us. Remember there are two related categories, and some sites may fit better in one of them.

I've polished the descriptions according to my lights, which might be described as laconic -- but see if you think any real information was lost.

If this kind of activity is addictive, you might want to consider submitting an application for editing the category before you use up all your sites.
 
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