sub category submission

Hello, I've properly emailed, meaning 3 times in the past year, to add a sub category in http://www.dmoz.org/Arts/Music/Bands_and_Artists/D/ for Zack de la Rocha. Obviously to no avail, how do I check the status of the suggestion?

subcategories are made when there are enough sites for it to be appropriate, and only when there is agreement in that tree that it is necessary. It is up to the editors involved--because it is suggested does not mean a subcat will be made, although I am sure it is/has been considered.

Its not the same. One is a category the other is a site suggestion.

Are there any fan web sites about him (and I mean about him and not ones about Rage Against the Machine that talk about his solo work or ones about him with someone else)? Subcategorizing like that doesn't generally occur until there's at least one fan site devoted to them and their work outside of the band -- I see a fan site in the RATM category but it seems to have a RATM bent to it. Unless he has a large body of work outside of RATM, you might be better off suggesting that a subcategory for him be created under RATM.

[disclaimer: kokopeli's post said something completely different when I posted -- I wasn't really echoing her. LOL]

Sorry, I did realize it was a different site, and tried to quickly (but not quickly enough) answer your question.

Actually, yes. Off the top of my head...zdlr.net, zackdelarocha.com/marchofdeath.com, zdlr.info, delarocha.2ya.com, modernthings.net/harvey/zack, etc. He has officially released his first internet solo single and has an official site, it must count.

no problem, you removed your post as i posted mine.

>> He has officially released his first internet solo single and has an official site, it must count.

Actually, an official site doesn't get someone their own subcategory (these days, just about everyone has their own official page, regardless of their stature). It's the presence of at least one fan site that generally will get someone their own subcategory.

I guess I'm not certain as to why this is being such great importance. Categories are created when enough sites exist on a subject to warrant it.

Could you explain to us why you think this is so important?

Thanks.

Actually, yes. Off the top of my head...zdlr.net, zackdelarocha.com/marchofdeath.com, zdlr.info, delarocha.2ya.com, modernthings.net/harvey/zack, etc.

>He has officially released his first internet solo single and has an official site, it must count.
A music file online...no, that doesn't count, excuse me, mustn't count. You'd be surprised how many people have put music online -- even I have -- without getting their own categories. An official site...no, that mustn't count either.

As for your URLs, I count one redirector (strike one) to a low-content (strike two) deeplink of a commercial site (strike three) that isn't even focused on the alleged topic (strike ... wait a minute, where's the umpire when you need him?) I count one single-page "site" that looks like an "official doorway". I count one single-page Error 404 message. I ... get bored and wander away.

Maybe you should tell Zack this is the revenge of the machines.

If its not possible...its not possible. Why reiterate an explanation? Just a good suggestion.

thanks

If its not possible...its not possible.

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Well, it is not possible yet under the given circumstances and only with the sites you suggested, but it is not 'not possible' generally and forever. Suggestions like yours are usually welcome, but please understand that we follow certain rules before creating subcategories.

Keep on looking for fan sites. (Genning up doorway fan sites, however, is frowned upon.)

I've got a short list of lyrics writers, some much more important by any measure than Zach, that don't [yet!] have a category. It isn't for lack of me looking: the sites just aren't there. Yet. Sometimes an editor will get interested in a person for which one site has been submitted, and go look for enough sites to build a category. (The ODP averages over 100 new categories a day.) Sometimes they'll just rely on submittals -- here's where good submittals from you WILL make a difference.

My rule of thumb is that a new category for a person needs one "anchor" site and several independent "useful pages."

The "anchor" could be a good official site -- not all official sites are created equal; some would embarress any serious fan, and so are only counted as useful pages; a feature-quality article from Smithsonian or some such magazine (deeplinks accepted), book-length e-text (deeplinks accepted) or some similar depth and quality of content.

The "useful pages" could be in-depth reviews from some authoritative source (deeplinks accepted!), fan sites (that is personal sites, most of whose content is related to the idol/celebrity), or something like that.

These are not official guidelines, but I've been generating personal categories for several years (including some categories where the anchor site was material I had had published) without being chastised. I suspect most experienced Arts editors will use instincts that, if codified, would result in guidelines similar to these. So this, like my reaction to the URLs you listed, should give a more of a feel for the quality of content we'd think worth listening.