Submission status for http://www.wakeside.com/

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mikehellweg

I first submitted our website summer of 2002 and have not been added into the directory. Since then I have resubmitted since our listing has changed a little. Could someone check the status of our submission for me.

Thanks,

Mike
 
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mikehellweg

By the way, the best section is:

Shopping: Sports: Water Sports: Water Skiing and Wakeboarding: Wakeboarding.
 
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mikehellweg

Okay. I will check end of Febuary.

Thanks for the update.

Mike
 
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mikehellweg

It's getting close to the end of February. Any update on including http:/www.wakeside.com/ into the directory in the category: http://www.dmoz.org/Shopping/Sports/Water_Sports/Water_Skiing_and_Wakeboarding/Wakeboarding/

I know that this category needs an editor and has needed one since the summer of last year. I have offered to be the editor and was turned down.

Our business is new since May of 2002, I have worked very hard so that people can find our site and I believe that the ODP is an important element of that. Anybody seriously looking for a quality Internet wakeboarding pro-shop should at least see our site. I could use some help to get us listed in the above category.

Does anyone there know if the end of February is still a good estimate?

Regards,

Mike Hellweg
Wakeside.com
 

motsa

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"End of February" was just an estimate of when you should ask again (it's a standard waiting period we ask people to keep between their queries). It doesn't mean that the editor saying that necessarily thinks that your site will or should be listed by then.
 
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mikehellweg

Is it normal to take 7+ months for approval? I first submitted to DMOZ during the summer. I resubmitted in January because I thought that something happened to my application. I was not aware of this forum at the time or I would have asked if my application was still in the system.

Is the delay caused because there is no editor assigned to our category? I offered to help out as a category editor but I was turned down.

How many applications are ahead of mine and is it possible to estimate the timeframe?

Regards,

Mike
 

motsa

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It can. This happens to be a somewhat neglected area of the Shopping section. You're at the bottom of the smallish queue if sorted by date (most every one else has been sitting there longer than you even going by your original submission date). An editor passing by may decide to go in and clean up the under 20 sites sitting there today or they may sit for another couple of months. We just can't give any estimates on timeframe.
 
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mikehellweg

Several more months have past since my last post. I am starting to wonder if the ODP is or will remain relevant if it takes one year to get a new company listed.

As a new company we have moved from the bottom to nearly the top of our industry in 12 months. We are recognized as the top Authorized Internet Retailer in our industry by three of the top Wakeboard Tower manufacturers after only 12 months in business.

It would be really good if someone would take the time to review our site and get us posted.

We are now averaging over 3,000 unique visitors per day and Alexa.com shows us at under 200,000. That is higher than all of our competitors that you are currently listing.

Could someone let me know if listing our site will happen soon.

Regards,

Mike Hellweg
 

windharp

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3 comments:

1) If people were thinking that that special area was attractive for them to see in DMOZ they would volunteer to edit and the area wasnt that backlogged. So it looks like users dont care to much for shopping sites in our directory. And we simply fulfill the demand of people looking for sites, not the demand of people wanting their site listed.

2) Resulting from number 1: submissions are meant to help us building a directory. If we felt like it we could decide that submissions do not help us any more and simply disable the feature. As an editor, looking for high quality sites yourself most times is much more effective than working on submissions. So please do not say we "have to do" something.

3) Rankings of other directories, search engines, ... is not important to us. We use editors decision what to list and what not to list. So even if a site was topranked by any known search engine - if we thought it was not good enough it won't be listed. The point is: Telling us how other engines rate your site wont help you here.
 
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rzan

"We are now averaging over 3,000 unique visitors per day and Alexa.com shows us at under 200,000. That is higher than all of our competitors that you are currently listing."

Dude, you don't need the Open Directory listing in a hurry then! You should tell them your business is struggling and you're starving... <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" alt="" />

Remember that these people are all volunteers and the ODP is an ambitious project.

Hope you get listed soon!
 
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mikehellweg

windharp,

1) I have personally offered to volunteer to edit my category twice and have been turned down both times. The reason the demand for this category is low from your perspective is that the "Wakeboarding" industry is relatively small niche. To a wakeboarding enthusiast or someone wanting to get started in wakeboarding, they would be served well to find a company offering a great selection and the best overall value not to mention the most useful and good looking website.

2) I work very closely with Google and they recommended the site submission on their site and made claims that our site submission would be listed in about two weeks but without any guarantee (June of 2002). If the ODP decides to eliminate the submission process, then Google would need to eliminate the submission pages on their site as well and most likely stop using the ODP as their directory. Maybe they should do their own directory?

I am not saying that you "have to do" anything. However if you were to ask 100 wakeboarders who actively use the Internet or do your own research, you would find on average that our website is the most relevant as a wakeboarding shopping site.

3) Agreed. However, we are also listed in the Yahoo directory and that directory is also "human" edited to make sure that the website is relevant. I can guess what you might say next: "We really don't care about Yahoo Directory either and besides that directory is not done by volunteers". As a side note, we are listed in several other human edited directories besides Yahoo.

I am a huge proponent of open source projects. At our company we use and contribute to Linux, Tom Cat, Mozilla, Bugzilla, and many other open source projects where people contribute to the best overall product. When I first heard about the ODP, I thought that the concept was similar and the result would also be superior to all other directories. So far, I have only run into defensiveness and excuses. I would love to see the ODP successful but it will take some changes.

Are there any ODP volunteers out there that understand my perspective and want to take up my cause?
 

jordancpeterson

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Yes I do! I'd love to review all the sites waiting for review in Shopping Business and Computers. But there are only so many editors and much more spam and the like that it takes time to go through all of these things. I know you stated that you've applied to edit the category and you were (presumably) rejected. I don't know the reason you were rejected but I should say that Shopping receives a lot of abuse. So a Meta reviewing your application is going to be a little wary when accepting you there (not saying you wouldn't be accepted -- just saying the odds are probably not in your favor). You should also keep in mind that our guidelines state regarding Conflicts of Interest

The Open Directory prides itself on being a free, non-commercial and open resource for the Web community. Selecting, evaluating, describing, and organizing all web sites fairly and equitably are key components of the editing process. We rely on the philanthropy of our volunteer editors, and strongly discourage anyone from accepting or soliciting any form of compensation for their participation in the Open Directory. Additionally, we discourage submitters from soliciting or bribing editors in exchange for listings in the directory. Editors found to be accepting or soliciting bribes in exchange for listing sites or unfairly promoting these sites over others will be removed from the directory.
Everyone is welcome to apply to join the ODP, including those who own, maintain and promote websites. Editors may have business or other types of affiliations relevant to the categories they edit, and may add their own sites or sites with which they are affiliated. However, it is contrary to the goals and policy of the ODP for editors to add only their own or affiliate sites, to engage in self cooling or other forms of self promotion, or to exclude or disadvantage a site that belongs to a competitor for the purpose of harming the competitor. Inappropriate actions may include excluding competitors? sites from the directory simply because they belong to a competitor or intentionally editing their titles or descriptions in a manner that distorts their content or diminishes the chance that users will find or view those sites.
In some cases, an editor's business affiliation overlaps their involvement in the directory, such as with Search Engine Optimization (SEO) professionals and Professional Content Providers (PCPs), whose participation may benefit both the editor and the directory. Instances when the involvement is mutually beneficial are acceptable, however, the primary focus and goal should always be to serve the best interests of the ODP and the editing community. Conducting unfair and deceptive activities to promote and support client listings will result in removal of editing privileges.

Quoted from http://dmoz.org/guidelines/conflict.html

If you really want to do something to help the ODP out apply for a non-affiliated category and edit there (Regional is always a good start!).

What windharp is saying is correct. It sounds harsh but we don't need submitters. Seriously! We as editors can go out and find sites we think are relevant to list. We want to make the best directory for the public (not the submitter). If the reviewing editor that reviews your site finds that it will be a good resource, it will be added. The fact of the matter is we are severely overwhelmed.
 
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mikehellweg

Jordan,

Thank you for your reply. <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" alt="" />

I am still hoping that this category will be updated soon. Spam must be a pain in the neck. <img src="/images/icons/frown.gif" alt="" />

I am truely thinking of the public, not just increasing our sales. We are totally committed to providing the best customer service and we strive for 100% satisfaction. Therefore, I believe that our website being listed will "serve the public". <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" alt="" />

Thanks again,

Mike
 

jordancpeterson

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If the reviewing editor agrees then I guess it'll probably be listed. When is anyone's best guess. <img src="/images/icons/confused.gif" alt="" />
 
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