Submission status of http://www.1st-personal-loans-uk.co.uk

Please will you give me an updat of my submission of
http://www.1st-personal-loans-uk.co.uk

submitted to

http://www.dmoz.org/Regional/Europe.../Financial_Services/Personal_Finance/Loans/1/

about 6 weeks ago

Thanks

No, that was http://www.1st-secured-loans-uk.co.uk/

or do I mean http://www.cf-loans.co.uk/ ?

Please take the opportunity to read http://dmoz.org/add.html and in particular the section about suggesting related websites.

If you really need a loan, there is always

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Yes, I already knew that

Jim - I have read the section you suggest. I submitted one of my websites about a year ago - (cf-loans.co.uk) and this was rejected as at the time as I was introducing business to another broker - Compass Finance. I now have no ties with Compass Finance or any other broker - we now deal with the loans ourselves.
I have now submitted another one of my sites - 1st-secured-loans-uk.co.uk. I wouldn't call this "Multiple submissions of the same or related sites" - I have only submitted one site previously and this was rejected for a reason which is no longer valid. Please will you take another look at my submission - I think this site offers useful and unique information to UK homeowners who have debt problems and it would mean a great deal to my business to have a site listed in Dmoz.

Regards

Joel Malach

But at this point, don't you have one of your site listed in ODP? We don't generally list multiples URLs for the same company [where we may define company a little differently than you might]

You submitted 2 URLs 1st-secured-loans-uk.co.uk and 1st-personal-loans-uk.co.uk - they are related, same owner same sector (finance) - in clear violation of our guidelines. Plus cf-loans.co.uk makes three. 3 = multiple, those 3 = same or related.

That's why we have a rule in http://www.dmoz.org/add.html Multiple submissions of the same or related sites may result in the exclusion and/or deletion of those and all affiliated sites.

After a while it really becomes more time consuming than it's worth running through layers of obfuscation, cross linking, and lead generation - as to whcih company is which and who you are really dealing with. If it's that confusing for us, I pity the poor consumer, and maybe it's just as well we don't rush to list such sites.

I understand what you're saying about multiple submissions, but I don't have ANY sites listed in the ODP - I'm not attempting "obfuscation, cross linking, and lead generation" - I believe that my sites have original, unique and useful content - surely this is what you are looking for!
I don't want 2 or 3 sites listed - just one. I feel that I keep getting rejected just because I'm making submissions. Do I stop submitting? This can't be fair. Please judge my sites on their content, not just based on the fact that I have made previous submissions that have been rejected.

Regards

Joel Malach

>I feel that I keep getting rejected just because I'm making submissions.

That is certainly an option the editors have -- read the submittal policies.

But that's not the most likely scenario.

If you consider the concept "unique content" for a moment, you'll realize that the presence of any one of your sites guarantees that all the OTHERS cannot have it. This is true even if only one of the sites had ever actually been submitted. (Remember, we do NOT restrict our reviewing to submitted sites!)

But "unique content" is what a site needs, in order to be listed.

How to get out off the horns of THAT dilemma?

Link all the sites together, so it's obvious to an editor (or other surfer) that they are all from the same entity. That way, we can consider them all together, and list them if "as a group" they contain that significant de minimus unique content.

OK - thanks for your advice.

I will re-submit (again) and make sure that the editor knows that I have various sites, each dealing with a different aspect of finance and debt, and that they are linked, but as a group offer unique and useful content.

(I can understand that to a DMOZ editor, personal loan, consolidation loan, secured loan, unsecured loan, debt management, etc may all seem like the same thing, but to people who are going through financial difficulties, these are all entirely different solutions)

Please tell me that when I resubmit following your advice, I am not going to be penalised for multiple submissions

Regatds

Joel Malach

Yes, they are not "identical", but they are "related" -- from the same entity, on the same business.

One of our very strict guidelines is that "single product line" websites are not listed. From our point of view, these are all just single products offered by the same agency.

From what you're saying, it seems that if I had just one website, I would be considered, but as I have several websites, each focusing on a different aspect of the subject, I am automatically excluded from inclusion.

It doesn't seem right to be penalised for helping browsers find a relevant site more easily.

Give me a chance - include my site for 12 months and we'll look at it again, and if anyone's been harmed, we'll agree to drop it!

Seriously, I would really like my site to be listed. From what you're saying, I cannot even be considered when it's clear that any of my sites offer a vast amount more information, help, advice, useful and unique content than most of those listed in the same categories I'm going for.

Come on guys, let me have the same chance as anyone else. Don't penalise me for taking the trouble to write hundreds of content packed web pages when many of the sites you've listed are just online advertisements

Regards

Joel malach

The problem isn't having multiple sites with the same or similar content, the problem is submitting them all.

I have only submitted 2 - the first 12 months ago, which was rejected for reasons stated above, and one 6 weeks ago

You seem to think that this "guideline" is a mere happenstance, to be brushed away at the faintest whim. It is not. It is a necessary implication of the first principle of the Open Directory (to index the sum of human _knowledge_) and seared into the community consciousness with the blood and sweat of thousands of hours of editing experience.

From our point of view, the sole relevant effect of this kind of website splintering is to DESTROY critically important meta-information -- that is, the all-important information about the source of the income on the website. And, since our sole activity is BUILDING meta-information, we can hardly look on such a thing otherwise than with abhorrence and loathing. Yes, absolutely, for us this is the most important thing in the world-wide-web to penalize.

Is it fair? No, but we don't have authority to execute justice in the matter, and this is the most we can do.

Look, just link your sites together like an honest man who's proud of his reputation and intends to do business with it for the rest of his life. If THAT will hurt your website's visibility, then ... we are content.

Hutch, I like the cut of your gib!

I shall do as you request and make the links between sites more evident to browsers. I think you're right, it will make the whole site more visible.

How do I then go about re-submitting the new style site without it looking like "multiple submissions"?

Regards

Joel Malach