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thoul

Re: Site submission

The site was rejected for having too many affiliate links.
 
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arkon

Re: Site submission

While I agree there are a lot of Affiliate links, we offer online shoppers a unique free service not available on any website in the UK - which
shops accept which Credit, Debit, Charge and Store
Cards - also do they offer Free Delivery, Credit, Price
Matching or Discounts.
Apart from this we also have 500 non-affiliate links in our Information & Reference section.
Therefore I am at a loss as to why such valuable resources are overlooked.
Please can you clarify why?
Thanks for your time
John Stephens
 
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arkon

Re: Site submission


Thanks for the reply raggedyrugs...

Is there any appeal against this decision?
Surely content is what is important here. We do not carry any banners, advertisments or pop-ups and our site was designed specifically for surfers to have a hassle free experience. Why are affiliate links frowned on when they provide a valuable service to viewers?
As I have said before, we do offer free unique information for shoppers. I consider this to be of great value and feel taht the review of our site a mis-interpretation of its usefullness.

Ok, I may be going a bit far here but I need some kind of objective feedback.

John Stephens
 

spectregunner

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Re: Site submission

Hi;

Although the fora guidelines clearly state:

If your site has been rejected, please keep in mind that arguing about the editorial decision will not be tolerated. Please note that at the bottom of the "add URL" screen it says "Netscape and the ODP have unfettered editorial discretion to determine the structure and content of the directory" and "a site's placement in the directory is subject to change or deletion at any time."

I will still try and clarify the way that many editors view affiliate content. I am speaking as a volunteer editor and not as the "official voice" of ODP.

Many editors view affiliate content they same way that little old ladies view swearing in church. One little ^%^% or $#@$ and it wipes out all the good works that you have done over the years. Forget about the fundraisers you participated in, forget about all the church socials you helped with. You said ^%^% or $#@$ in the church and are destined for the eternal fires of damnation.

So too, affiliate links are viewed as "very bad things." You may have a lot of good content on your site, but it takes very few affiliate links for an editor to deem your site unworthy. Yes, it is a judgement thing, and yes, no two editors handle affiliate links in the exact same manner. Still, like swearing in church, affiliate links are generally unwelcome events. As such, it is generally not subject to appeal or reconsideration. If you were to argue that the site has no affilite links and never had any affiliate links, then another editor might double check to see if an error had occurred, but that is about the extent of getting the decision revisited.

Keep in mind that I have written this without seeing your site. My observations are general, not specific to your situation.

Now for some unsolicited personal advice: If you truly believe that you have unique content and should have an ODP listing, instead of trying to convince us to overrule the legitimate decision of another editor, spend the time getting rid of the affiliate links.

It really is quite binary:

1. Keep the affiliate links, and forever give up hopes of an ODP listing.

-or-

2. Dump the affiliate links and resubmit with a note that says you have no more affiliate links. That won't guarantee a listing, but it will guarantee that an editor will take a fresh look at the site and judge it accordingly.

Please take the above in the spirit that it was given.
 
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arkon

Re: Site submission

Spectregunner thank you very much for your reply, I found your analogy excellent, I now think I understand my problem re the Affilliate Links.
What I do not understand is WHY affiliate links have a "bad name" as I think they provide a useful service to consumers. Where would E-Bay & Amazon be without the millions of Affiliate links to there sites? Why do multi-national companies offer affiliate programs if they are so "bad"? Why should these links be treated any diferently from any other resourceful link? I must be missing something obvious...I just do not understand the problem here. I genuinely believe that my site has excellent Unique content that people in the UK should be aware of.

BTW Spectregunner, do have a look at my site if you have the time as I think you will then see my point about Affiliates/content. But thanks again for taking the effort to explain.
If anyone else has any comments to make I would be pleased to hear from them.

John Stephens
 

raggedyrugs

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Location
Ogallala, Nebraska - USA
Re: Site submission

Affiliates have a bad reputation because "most_of_the_time", a site's content is nothing but affiliates. Having this content widespread in the directory is not useful.

It would be similar to listing your site in http://dmoz.org/Regional/Europe/United_Kingdom/Business_and_Economy/Shopping/Directories about 50 times. There is simply no point in having repetition of content.

>>>Where would E-Bay & Amazon be without the millions of Affiliate links to there sites? Why do multi-national companies offer affiliate programs if they are so "bad"?<<<

eBay and Amazon would probably do just fine without them. The one answer as to why there are affiliate programs is $$$$$!

We don't list sites that "strictly" sell via eBay or Amazon in the directory.

You'll find bookseller sites in the directory with a link to Amazon, but they also have a substantial amount of content and other ways to order a product. If Amazon was their only ordering process, it shouldn't be listed.

Spectre gives good advice above:

1. Keep the affiliate links, and forever give up hopes of an ODP listing.

-or-

2. Dump the affiliate links and resubmit with a note that says you have no more affiliate links. That won't guarantee a listing, but it will guarantee that an editor will take a fresh look at the site and judge it accordingly.

I would seriously weigh the advantages and disadvantages of having affiliate links on your site.

Whatever the decision may be, good luck..
 

hutcheson

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Re: Site submission

...I think they provide a useful service to consumers.

No, you are absolutely and utterly wrong. They provide a useful service to _advertisers_. Their service is not to consumers, and their payment is not from consumers. And this, of course, is the reason that so many big advertising consumers (that is, retail companies) use them.

And, in any case, this is not a directory for CONSUMERS, it's for SURFERS. You can think of us as your prey in the privacy of your own mind, but it's best not to use predatory-type language in our presence!

Now, do we say that there are no conceivable circumstances under which an affiliate link offers service to surfers?

No, we don't say that. Some time ago I "cooled" a site which had affiliate links on it, and I considered that the affiliate links actually enhanced the value of the site (I mean, "value for surfers," of course. I didn't care what it did for the webmaster).

Of course, that site had significant informational content about some subject. It wasn't just a bunch of classified ads masquerading as a directory.

Which brings us to the more profound problem. Assuming you dumped the affiliate tags on the links, would this site be listable?

And the answer is, probably not: because it would be very hard for an ODP editor to find any "unique content" on the site. In a way, THE [Open] Directory is competing with it. If we list a site directly, we don't need to list any other site just because it lists it also!

So you could make a list of the sites that you list and the Open Directory doesn't. What would be the best thing (for the benefit of the surfers) for the editor to do? Well, of course, list those sites -- and THEN reject your site for not having any more unique content!

The standards are rising. Many directory sites listed three years ago would be deleted if re-reviewed; many directories listed one year ago would be rejected if freshly submitted now.

So, however you look at it, it is difficult to create enough significant directory content to merit a listing in the Open Directgory, and it is getting difficult more rapidly than most directories could possibly improve.

As for "appeal" -- what could you appeal? The ODP doesn't offer services (of ANY kind) to webmasters or advertisers or SERP perps. No site is guaranteed a listing. The "Public Contract" merely offers to review sites that were submitted (and these forums exist partly as a way of ensuring and verifying that has been done.) And all that has happened.

And if you were appealing, what could you possibly say that would make a difference? The review is supposed to be based on the WEBSITE, and not at all on claims made elsewhere.

What theoretically could be done is try to identify any actual unique content on the site, and redesign the site so that that actual unique content was prominently labelled and navigable, then resubmit for another review with a comment "site redesigned to feature unique content." For other sites like this, my experience has been that the marketroid-concept of "original content" was so dissimilar to the ODP knowledge-based content , that such attempts invariably proved futile.

There are innumerable advertising venues on the web, that are open to purveyers, buyers, and sellers of advertising. For an advertising site, you probably need to be looking at those. And the ODP is not one of them.
 
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