What have I done wrong

ppproperty · Oct 30, 2011

Hi
My site has been up for 4 years and is still not listed in DMOZ,
I am sure that I have placed it in the correct category.
Other sites that are very new have been entered in this category.
I can only assume that the editor has a problem with my website or
has an agenda.
My website is in my profile please can someone tell me why it is not
listed as i feel somewhat let down and penalized.
Kind regards
Paul Stubbs

jimnoble · Oct 30, 2011

We don't comment on specific websites here but I can see that you first suggested it more recently than 4 years ago.

You might have misunderstood our objectives and how we operate here. ODP is a volunteer organisation building a directory as a hobby. Editors edit where they wish, when they wish and as much as they wish within the constraints of their permissions. We have no schedules or systems to force people to do work that they don't volunteer to do. ODP is not primarily a free listing service for website owners and it does not attempt to process their listing suggestions within the time scales desired by them.

Some volunteer will process your listing suggestion in time but we can't predict who or when that might be. Elapsed times can range from a few days to a few years. There is no need to re-suggest your website and doing so could be counter-productive because a later suggestion overwrites any earlier one.

ppproperty · Oct 30, 2011

Thankyou for your fast response.
Where do you comment on individual websites.
I did recently re-apply but it had been on there for years before
and it was seeing a website that i built just months before go into
the same category, it was this that prompted me to re-apply.
I have not misunderstood your objectives at all, and i do assume
that requests are supposed to be dealt with fairly.
Please can someone help me to get the same treatment as every one else.
Regards
Paul Stubbs

jimnoble said:
We don't comment on specific websites here but I can see that you first suggested it more recently than 4 years ago.

You might have misunderstood our objectives and how we operate here. ODP is a volunteer organisation building a directory as a hobby. Editors edit where they wish, when they wish and as much as they wish within the constraints of their permissions. We have no schedules or systems to force people to do work that they don't volunteer to do. ODP is not primarily a free listing service for website owners and it does not attempt to process their listing suggestions within the time scales desired by them.

Some volunteer will process your listing suggestion in time but we can't predict who or when that might be. Elapsed times can range from a few days to a few years. There is no need to re-suggest your website and doing so could be counter-productive because a later suggestion overwrites any earlier one.

jimnoble · Oct 30, 2011

We don't comment on specific websites anywhere that I'm aware of.

In general, if two websites in common ownership would be listable in the same category, we consider them to be related. Our submission guidelines forbid the suggestion of related websites and at least one of them will be blocked.

ppproperty · Oct 31, 2011

Hi Jim
UYou are making assumptions,
I do not own both sites only the one in my profile the other site is in the same category
because it is regional and my site was entered first at any rate. They are entirely different
entities.
I designed the other website which is how i know how long it has been in existance.
I am now fast coming to the conclusion that sometibg less than wholesome is happening as
no one can or will answer my question.

jimnoble said:
We don't comment on specific websites anywhere that I'm aware of.

In general, if two websites in common ownership would be listable in the same category, we consider them to be related. Our submission guidelines forbid the suggestion of related websites and at least one of them will be blocked.

jimnoble · Oct 31, 2011

It says very clearly in the sticky thread at the top of this forum that we don't answer questions about specific websites. Nothing sinister about that; we're just avoiding the fruitless discussions that usually ensue - such as this one.

ppproperty · Oct 31, 2011

Jim
An organisation without recourse is open to serious abuse of its powers such as editors who are competitors eg.
It is a most unhealthy situation.
I do not need DMOZ to make my business, I do fine without it, I just find it very hard to believe that my website has not
been included without a reason and if no one will tell me a reason without retreating behind their own small print then it is
suspicious.
It may be a fruitless discussion to you but not to website owners that are being treated unfairly and I clearly am.
I know that at least one website has been approved that was submitted later.
I do not believe that there is anything wrong with my website and I was meticulous in the registration process so without talking about an individual case. Explain at least hypothetically how this is fair. Or is fairness nothing to do with how DMOZ is run.
Paul Stubbs

jimnoble said:
It says very clearly in the sticky thread at the top of this forum that we don't answer questions about specific websites. Nothing sinister about that; we're just avoiding the fruitless discussions that usually ensue - such as this one.

jimnoble · Oct 31, 2011

I first suggest that you reread my original response with care.

There are several hundred million websites that we haven't yet evaluated and only a few thousand editors to do the work. Pareto applies of course and only a few hundred of us spend significant hours on the project. Travel is one of the spammier sectors as I'm sure you're aware. The consequences are that most active editors prefer to work elsewhere.

The most likely reason that your website hasn't been listed is that nobody has yet evaluated it. Editorial resources are scarce right across the directory and it's most definitely unfair of you to assume that we're all corrupt just because we've found more interesting things to do than give you priority because you're throwing a paddy.

Now if you think that this is a worthwhile project, put your efforts where your mouth is and apply to become an editor. Be sure to treat the process as seriously as you would a job application - because it is.

ppproperty · Oct 31, 2011

I do not think in any way you are all corrupt and yes i do think this a worthwhile project or indeed I would not be upset.
I suggested that without recourse it open to corruption and that for reasons I explained to do with timeline I have not been
treated fairly I do not wish to offend you but I am trying to perhaps provoke a response that will explain the issue. i do of course realize that I have dome my chances of inclusion no favours here but injustice is injustice at the end of the day and four years is pretty patient considering I built the other site mentioned less than a year ago.
I would apply and in fact did apply some time ago I was rejected because the area I applied for was to broad or something similar.
At the moment i dont have any time as I have a business to run in very trying times.
Sorry if I have offended you.

jimnoble said:
I first suggest that you reread my original response with care.

There are several hundred million websites that we haven't yet evaluated and only a few thousand editors to do the work. Pareto applies of course and only a few hundred of us spend significant hours on the project. Travel is one of the spammier sectors as I'm sure you're aware. The consequences are that most active editors prefer to work elsewhere.

The most likely reason that your website hasn't been listed is that nobody has yet evaluated it. Editorial resources are scarce right across the directory and it's most definitely unfair of you to assume that we're all corrupt just because we've found more interesting things to do than give you priority because you're throwing a paddy.

Now if you think that this is a worthwhile project, put your efforts where your mouth is and apply to become an editor. Be sure to treat the process as seriously as you would a job application - because it is.

jimnoble · Oct 31, 2011

I am trying to perhaps provoke a response that will explain the issue.

I did, and my reputation is for over directness rather than obfuscation.

i do of course realize that I have dome my chances of inclusion no favours here

You haven't affected them one iota.

but injustice is injustice at the end of the day and four years is pretty patient

So your website is more important than the other several hundred million? and it hasn't been 4 years anyway.

At the moment i dont have any time as I have a business to run

So do many other editors.

The real injustice here is that you are requiring volunteers to do work that you aren't prepared to help with yourself.

This thread is an utter time waster for all concerned so closing. Don't start another one on a related topic.

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