What if multiple people suggest a site?

Webguy17

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I don't see how Dmoz handles multiple submissions. I understand that you want a site to submit and forget. But, how are submissions from multiple people handled.

1.) I could see a new employee thinking he is doing the business a favor by suggesting their site (and the suggestion may not even be correct).
Does this overwrite the original suggestion?

1a) If the submissions are in different categories does the last one win?

2.) If someone runs across a great site that they think should be in your directory and do a submission - would this overwrite the offical submission if they had one?

3.) Worse - if a disgruntled ex-employee or competitor just wanted to mess with a site, could they regularly submit a bogus request to reset the counter. overwrite the submission, and put it in a irrelevant category?

Does the submission process handle these circumstances? Does the editor see all the submissions?

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spectregunner

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We have seen some/many/all/none of these scenarios, plus or minus a few.

Without getting into details, we are almost always able to do the right thing.
 

Webguy17

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That's good

spectregunner said:
We have seen some/many/all/none of these scenarios, plus or minus a few.

Without getting into details, we are almost always able to do the right thing.

That is good... Obviously editors must be looking beyond the date of submission and the system doesn't just overwrite the entry and change the date. Especially since the the offical suggestor is totally blind to the situation.

It still seems like the process requires an odd leap of blind faith. With the volume of suggestions - 'almost always' sounds remarkable. Hopefully that is not just the company line.

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lmocr

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There really is no such thing as an "official suggestor". The original (and still continues to be) purpose of the "suggest a site" link is for the surfer to suggest a site s/he ran across while surfing and believes would be a perfect addition to one of the categories.
 

Webguy17

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Awareness

Should companies make sure new (any) employees don't suggest the site?
 

Webguy17

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lmocr said:
There really is no such thing as an "official suggestor". The original (and still continues to be) purpose of the "suggest a site" link is for the surfer to suggest a site s/he ran across while surfing and believes would be a perfect addition to one of the categories.

That's interesting since there is such strong recommendations to 'suggest and forget" oherwise you move the suggestion to the back of the queue. Seems like unsolicited suggestions would actually cause adverse effects.
 

hutcheson

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Some perspective shifts that might prove helpful:

(1) In the grand scheme of things, malicious submittals with ulterior motives are the large majority of all submittals. But these things you mention aren't blips on the radar screen. (Most editors haven't seen such a technique even once.) The malice of submitters is far more often directed at the ODP itself rather than at competitors. And, think about THIS: suppose you, as a handcrafted widget maker, decided to do vile things to your competitors. WHICH COMPETITORS WOULD YOU CHOOSE TO BESMIRCH? (Conclusion: bless your competitors: if someone goes amok, you're likely to be saved from attack by being lost in the crowd.) But on the other side, editors are used to dealing with malice. And if a site is good enough (from a surfer's perspective) to have random surfers recommend it, I don't think its webmaster should need to worry about ... random surfers recommending it. We're all surfers in here, and it should show.

(2) There's hardly ever such a thing as a "right" submittal. Even those of listable sites nearly all go to the wrong category and/or contain noncompliant titles and/or descriptions.

We can handle them, just like we handle websites that were never suggested, by looking at the website itself, which we'd do anyway. The danger of someone going amok against precisely the one submitter in 10,000 who suggested an almost-perfect submitter, just doesn't bear worrying about.

(3) There's no such thing as an "official" submittal. Site owners cause nearly all of our problems, so obviously, given a choice, we'd prefer to keep the disinterested surfers' suggestion. But we don't discriminate against the troublesome class AS a class: all contributors have the same standing. (In fact, for years, even editors suggesting to a category outside their permissions had that same standing: now, editors' actions are listed separately so that they can receive quicker attention. But even they don't have a guaranteed priority.)

(4) In the normal course of events, the editor only needs to see one or two submittals, all the rest need to be thrown away somehow. Chances are extremely good that one of the better submittals will be kept. (This is another reason the garden-variety spammer wouldn't take this approach. Suppose, by a freak of fate, his submittal turned out to be for a competitor who hadn't yet submitted his own site: one of his submittals might turn out to be the trigger that got his competitor listed!)

(5) Pretty much, honest professionals and honest companies don't waste their time and money trying to besmirch their "competitors". Joe-Bob LeadPants, Master Plumber, isn't going to be landing any business by pushing Pipe-Wrench Jack's webpage off Google's top ten. Joe-Bob and Jack both get most of their calls from customer referrals and the Yellow Pages anyway, and they both know it. And in the online underworld, And Viagra Joe, Spammer Extraordinaire, won't try to slime Eckert Drugs or Walmart Pharmacies. He'll see Ginsing Pete, "the man with a million doorways to the world of scamedicines(TM)", as his REAL competition. So, the class of people who are minded to try this sort of thing, are likely to be sliming their own class -- in other words, sites that are extremely unlikely to be listable anyway.

So invest your worrying time and energy about something that's actually happened somewhere in the last year -- you know, like drunk drivers, rabid dogs, drunk politicians, earthquakes, mad cows, floods, sober politicians, incendiary meteorites, used car salesmen, Madonna albums, server outages, organic spinach, ... life isn't long enough to list all the things about which you should be more worried than this.
 

Webguy17

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I agree competitors worrying about DMOZ listing would be a real stretch.

I actually thought of the question when a well intended employee mentioned suggesting to DMOZ. Then the next thought was what if you had a disgruntaled employee familiar with the process.

Either way I was wondering what the negative impact would be and how you sort through these things and not end up penalizing a site...
 

Eric-the-Bun

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Either way I was wondering what the negative impact would be and how you sort through these things and not end up penalizing a site...
The golden rule is still unique content - if the site has unique content and meets the guidelines for the category, it is listed. We understand all the normal human confusions surrounding suggestions that can occur.

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firestorm

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When an editor is reviewing sites and comes accross multiple submissions for the same site such as myself, I would normally see which of the submissions followed the submission guidelines the best, accept it, and then remove the duplicates. If the site is worth listing, There is no reason why we wouldnt add it to the directory even if it was submitted more than once. There are ways we can sometimes tell if a site is intentionally submitted numerous times by the same person or if it has been submitted by different people who may just have an interest in the site. Just because you submit your site multiple times it does not mean the site wont be listed. It just makes our job more difficult when reviewing sites because we need to spend extra time deleting the extra submissions that were not nessisary.
 
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