What is required by dmoz ?

Hi,

No offence but its a suggestion that this project should close down. Last time i visited the search was not working. Now i visited the suggestions are not working.

There's no status at all weather you listing is declined etc. You have to wait for months and still you don't know you have to re-submit or not..

If you make a simple script where people can enter their url to check the status then they won't flood up your servers with re-submissions but i guess it will take quite a lot of time too.

This has really started to piss off. If you can't handle it then why not resign so other interested people can take over. This is all bull****.

The good news is, search is working now.

To try to clear up some of your confusion: the fact is, you never have to suggest a site the first time. You especially never have to suggest it a second time. No script is ever needed, you can just read the submittal policies. But if you feel you need a script to tell you that -- the ODP is a volunteer effort, you're always free to write the script and pass it around to others who feel a similar need.

When people are willing to cooperate, there is never a need for anyone to resign, just so others can help. And if people are not willing to cooperate, there is never a need for anyone to resign, just so others can start a competing project.

Since no site is guaranteed an ODP listing, I'd recommend not worrying about not getting one in any particular time frame. (This information is in the ODP submittal policies; this conclusion necessarily follows.)

For promotional purposes, just ignore the ODP and (if your business or site need promotion) choose from among the many many promotional venues available. You can find a variety of kinds and levels of services; and the ODP doesn't compete with any of them.

> Now i visited the suggestions are not working.
Yes, we know. Please read the announcement at the top of each forum.

> There's no status at all weather you listing is declined etc.
Correct. We stopped giving status here at R-Z a long time ago as you have been told in a previous (locked) thread.

> You have to wait for months and still you don't know you have to re-submit or not..
You should never suggest the same site again.
It is either still waiting review (no need to suggest it again)
or it is rejected (no reason to suggest it again)

> If you make a simple script where people can enter their url to check the status then they won't flood up your servers with re-submissions but i guess it will take quite a lot of time too.
If people would read and try to understand DMOZ they wouldn't resuggest.

> If you can't handle it then why not resign so other interested people can take over.
There is always room for more good editors. Current editors don't hold a postion blocked for other people.

pvgool said:

> Now i visited the suggestions are not working.
Yes, we know. Please read the announcement at the top of each forum.

> There's no status at all weather you listing is declined etc.
Correct. We stopped giving status here at R-Z a long time ago as you have been told in a previous (locked) thread.

> You have to wait for months and still you don't know you have to re-submit or not..
You should never suggest the same site again.
It is either still waiting review (no need to suggest it again)
or it is rejected (no reason to suggest it again)

> If you make a simple script where people can enter their url to check the status then they won't flood up your servers with re-submissions but i guess it will take quite a lot of time too.
If people would read and try to understand DMOZ they wouldn't resuggest.

> If you can't handle it then why not resign so other interested people can take over.
There is always room for more good editors. Current editors don't hold a postion blocked for other people.

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1. If you know then what is being done ? Its been weeks now.

2. You stopped thats why you got technical problems.

3. Who will tell weather its still waiting to be reviewed / declined etc. ?

4. Well you can see people don't read so better is to make it. So they can check it.

5. Editors don't have time.

hutcheson said:

The good news is, search is working now.

To try to clear up some of your confusion: the fact is, you never have to suggest a site the first time. You especially never have to suggest it a second time. No script is ever needed, you can just read the submittal policies. But if you feel you need a script to tell you that -- the ODP is a volunteer effort, you're always free to write the script and pass it around to others who feel a similar need.

When people are willing to cooperate, there is never a need for anyone to resign, just so others can help. And if people are not willing to cooperate, there is never a need for anyone to resign, just so others can start a competing project.

Since no site is guaranteed an ODP listing, I'd recommend not worrying about not getting one in any particular time frame. (This information is in the ODP submittal policies; this conclusion necessarily follows.)

For promotional purposes, just ignore the ODP and (if your business or site need promotion) choose from among the many many promotional venues available. You can find a variety of kinds and levels of services; and the ODP doesn't compete with any of them.

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Seems you're confused..if we don't have to suggest then why suggest a site button is there ?

How can a volunteer find pending/rejected sites from his script ?

People are cooperating but dmoz is not. Instead of cooperating, people are getting canned replies. Read this, read that.

Who asked for a guranteed inclusion ? Just tell weather its rejected or pending that will be enough for everyone. You will see major load getting off your servers.

Did'nt even thought of promotion. Just was curious all other sites were there not just ours...when went to submit it was down.

1. If you know then what is being done ? Its been weeks now.
The technical people are working on the problems and a group of editors is testing their solutions.

2. You stopped thats why you got technical problems.
No, not giving status request has nothing to do with the problems

3. Who will tell weather its still waiting to be reviewed / declined etc. ?
Nobody as far as I know

4. Well you can see people don't read so better is to make it. So they can check it.
Why would we make something for a service we don't provide and we don;t want to provide (that is a listing service for webmasters)

5. Editors don't have time.
As we are volunteers we are free to spend as much time as we personly want. For some that is only a few hours a month for others it is alomst a fulldays "job".

> Seems you're confused..if we don't have to suggest then why suggest a site button is there ?
You don't have to but you are allowed to do so.

> How can a volunteer find pending/rejected sites from his script ?
Only editors can.

> Just tell weather its rejected or pending that will be enough for everyone.
Just assume it is rejected and base everything else you do on that assumption. Ofcourse that would be exactly the same as when you would assume it is still waiting review, and also exactly the same as if you would know it is listed.

pvgool said:

1. If you know then what is being done ? Its been weeks now.
The technical people are working on the problems and a group of editors is testing their solutions.

2. You stopped thats why you got technical problems.
No, not giving status request has nothing to do with the problems

3. Who will tell weather its still waiting to be reviewed / declined etc. ?
Nobody as far as I know

4. Well you can see people don't read so better is to make it. So they can check it.
Why would we make something for a service we don't provide and we don;t want to provide (that is a listing service for webmasters)

5. Editors don't have time.
As we are volunteers we are free to spend as much time as we personly want. For some that is only a few hours a month for others it is alomst a fulldays "job".

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1. When it will be resolved ?

2. Then what is casuing everyday problems ?

3. Then why you say in your earlier post that you should not suggest again coz either it will be pending / rejected. Will i get a dream about it ?

4. You don't wanna provide becuase you can't handle it.

5. Regarding dmoz editors fulltime job i fully understand what you mean. It would be better if we don't discuss atleast this.

Thanks.

pvgool said:

> Seems you're confused..if we don't have to suggest then why suggest a site button is there ?
You don't have to but you are allowed to do so.

> How can a volunteer find pending/rejected sites from his script ?
Only editors can.

> Just tell weather its rejected or pending that will be enough for everyone.
Just assume it is rejected and base everything else you do on that assumption. Ofcourse that would be exactly the same as when you would assume it is still waiting review, and also exactly the same as if you would know it is listed.

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Oh plz enlighten me on this one..

1. We don't have to but we are
2. We want to but we can't ? Did i miss something ?

1. When it will be resolved ?
We don't know

2. Then what is casuing everyday problems ?
We don't have everyday problems. We have one major outage caused by several technical problems. (did you read the announcement)

3. Then why you say in your earlier post that you should not suggest again coz either it will be pending / rejected. Will i get a dream about it ?
No, you will never know. And it should be of importance. As I wrote in both cases you should not suggest the site again. And in both cases you should do exactly the same (and it is only you who can decide what to do)

4. You don't wanna provide becuase you can't handle it.
It is not a case of not being able to handle it. It is about not eanting to provide such a service.

5. Regarding dmoz editors fulltime job i fully understand what you mean. It would be better if we don't discuss atleast this.
I only meant to say that some people spend a large amount of their daily acitivities in DMOZ. And all by their own free will.

AvisSoft said:

Oh plz enlighten me on this one..

1. We don't have to but we are
2. We want to but we can't ? Did i miss something ?

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Tje fact that something can be done doesn't mean that something must be done. It is totaly up to your own free will to suggest a site. Everything after that in DMOZ is totaly upto the free will of the editors (within certain limitations, called guidelines, which are available for everybody to read)

>Seems you're confused..if we don't have to suggest then why suggest a site button is there?

It's there for people who wish to volunteer to help the ODP by finding good sites.

>How can a volunteer find pending/rejected sites from his script?

The database is designed for efficiency doing all the things that help build the database -- at the expense of not being able to do irrelevant things at all (or doing them so slowly that we can't afford to bog down the server trying to do them.)

A volunteer basically never needs to search for rejected sites, and there is no way to do that. What a volunteer might want to do instead is look at sites ON A GIVEN TOPIC, that haven't yet been rejected. That operation is extremely efficient.

>People are cooperating but dmoz is not. Instead of cooperating, people are getting canned replies. Read this, read that.

But beyond that, I think we're using different definitions of "cooperation." What you're looking for is what I'd call "coordination" -- but the ODP system avoids that kind of process: it is extremely complex, inefficient, and downright counterproductive.

>Who asked for a guranteed inclusion ? Just tell weather its rejected or pending that will be enough for everyone. You will see major load getting off your servers.

We have actually tried giving status reports; we remember what actually happens. It bore no resemblance to your speculation.

>Did'nt even thought of promotion. Just was curious all other sites were there not just ours...when went to submit it was down.

It's always good to hear such high praise for the ODP. But most categories are not as comprehensive as the one you were looking at: more typically, I'd guess 10-40% of listable sites will be missing from any particular category. Clearly, that category must have had an unusually enthusiastic and industrious editor. I have to admit, there are other categories that could use editing help much more than that one.

AvisSoft said:

No offence but its a suggestion that this project should close down. Last time i visited the search was not working. Now i visited the suggestions are not working.

There's no status at all weather you listing is declined etc. You have to wait for months and still you don't know you have to re-submit or not..

If you make a simple script where people can enter their url to check the status then they won't flood up your servers with re-submissions but i guess it will take quite a lot of time too.

This has really started to piss off. If you can't handle it then why not resign so other interested people can take over. This is all bull****.

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Why should ODP shut down to satisfy you? If you are unhappy or disatisfied with the project, don't use it. Nobody is forcing you.

The Old Sarge