where can i ask about status of my site?

dotcommakers · Oct 8, 2005

Hello

Where can I ask about my site status? If its approved or rejected? First time i was rejected. But as he has give me reason behind the rejection.. I correct them and resubmitt again.

I know.. status forums are closed...archived. but hope i will receive at least rejection email

Help please.

regards

hutcheson · Oct 9, 2005

No, it's highly unlikely that you'd receive rejection email. It's very dangerous for the editor -- this month we have one editor being constantly harassed over a cellphone, and last month another was being physically stalked.

And, from our point of view it is, of course, a waste of time that would be better spent looking for more good sites to list -- it doesn't accomplish anything for us

And even for nearly all webmasters there's really nothing honest it can accomplish for them either (if that mattered, which it really doesn't.

There are many places you can get feedback from a site review. I'd suggest checking some of them out if you're interested. (But if the forum serves your community, it really doesn't matter what someone else thinks anyway, does it?)

dotcommakers · Oct 9, 2005

hutcheson said:
No, it's highly unlikely that you'd receive rejection email. It's very dangerous for the editor -- this month we have one editor being constantly harassed over a cellphone, and last month another was being physically stalked.

And, from our point of view it is, of course, a waste of time that would be better spent looking for more good sites to list -- it doesn't accomplish anything for us

And even for nearly all webmasters there's really nothing honest it can accomplish for them either (if that mattered, which it really doesn't.

There are many places you can get feedback from a site review. I'd suggest checking some of them out if you're interested. (But if the forum serves your community, it really doesn't matter what someone else thinks anyway, does it?)

Hello Hutch

Thanks for replay. Its very sad to hear, what happened to editors. but truly said we should get email of rejection, so we can improve site or submission. With rejection email and with editor's remarks we can improve our site. Whenever I complete my website. I always show them in webdesignforums. I always get reviews and do changes.

I think my website should be listed.. but still if I can have reasons than It will be great... also my friend, May I know how many days take to site submission.

regards

spectregunner · Oct 9, 2005

With rejection email and with editor's remarks we can improve our site.

I understand what you are saying, but I think the idea is misguided.

Few of our editors are in the website design business, we are all in the directory building business. We are, as a group, really not qualified to critique your website. We are really only qualified to tell you if it is guidelines compliant.

Thus, it could be disasterous if you were to redesign your website based on pleasing a single editor (or even a small flock of editors). We are not your target audience.

Instead, if I may gently suggest, you should be building your website for your visitors, striving to provide them with the best possible site.

Whether an ODP editor likes or hates your site is irrelevant; whether your customers and visitor like your website is highly relevant.

And I'll share a little secret with you. Every so often I list a site that is world-class ugly. As I'm reviewing it I keep asking myself "what in the world was this webmaster thinking?" Yet, it if has good unique content and offers value to visitors, it is listable. On the other hand, I have trashcanned many a slickly-designed website that was so focused on design and flash and being cool, that they forgot to add any real content behind the glitz.

dotcommakers · Oct 9, 2005

spectregunner said:
I understand what you are saying, but I think the idea is misguided.

Few of our editors are in the website design business, we are all in the directory building business. We are, as a group, really not qualified to critique your website. We are really only qualified to tell you if it is guidelines compliant.

Thus, it could be disasterous if you were to redesign your website based on pleasing a single editor (or even a small flock of editors). We are not your target audience.

Instead, if I may gently suggest, you should be building your website for your visitors, striving to provide them with the best possible site.

Whether an ODP editor likes or hates your site is irrelevant; whether your customers and visitor like your website is highly relevant.

And I'll share a little secret with you. Every so often I list a site that is world-class ugly. As I'm reviewing it I keep asking myself "what in the world was this webmaster thinking?" Yet, it if has good unique content and offers value to visitors, it is listable. On the other hand, I have trashcanned many a slickly-designed website that was so focused on design and flash and being cool, that they forgot to add any real content behind the glitz.

Hi,

I really like your replay. Thanks a lot for tip. You last paragraph was really helpful. My website has nice design also good content. i have only content that what I have business for. I have no advertisements. As i wrote in second replay. I have reviewed to site in many web design forums than i have submitted here. My only intention to submit here is just to get listed here. My targeted audience is my buyers whom I contact myself directly.

OK here is my more replay with few funny comments .. please don't take any offense

Let me say I will not try again If editors don't like

I know its very hard to please an editor here than to please god

I have seen few guys trying for 2 to 4 years here.

I know Dmoz.org is very big directory moderated by human editors. I really would like to be a part of the website. I tried be an editor here, that time I thought to submit site here. That's it.

Regards

LesNor · Oct 23, 2005

Great Advice

Wow, Spectregunner

Thanks for your answer. It was clear, interesting, and most importantly very helpful. I'm going to search for more of your posts.

I often find editors' answers to be somewhat vague, and I wonder if it's just that most editors want to be helpful, but are careful not to reveal anything they shouldn't or promise anything they shouldn't. I can only imagine what it's like to be an editor and deal with thousands and thousands of people who want their site listed and want it listed NOW! The stakes can be high for webmasters, and I can imagine they can be aggressive.

I say to all editors - KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!

oneeye · Oct 23, 2005

I wonder if it's just that most editors want to be helpful, but are careful not to reveal anything they shouldn't or promise anything they shouldn't.

All editors want to be helpful to our users, Internet surfers, and being helpful to webmasters can, sometimes, be incompatible with that.

The stakes can be high for webmasters

The higher the stakes for the webmaster the less likely the site is to be listable and the less likely an editor will be interested enough to review it. In general. High stakes usually mean the webmaster has a hard sell commercial website where PR is everything and content is secondary.

I can imagine they can be aggressive

They can be but this can work in our favour as they more often than not highlight their spam far more effectively via their desperation than just submitting once and walking away.

riz · Oct 23, 2005

dotcommakers said:
I know its very hard to please an editor here than to please god

May I say that this very statement sums up your underlying notion? You are willing to please an editor instead of your visitors. Does this make sense to you? You should read what spectregunner has explained so thoroughly. It may help you immensely in realizing the fundamental principals of having a website, not for one, but for all.

Eric-the-Bun · Oct 24, 2005

riz:

it was a joke, note the line above

OK here is my more replay with few funny comments .. please don't take any offense

riz · Oct 24, 2005

Fair enough. I will leave my previous post unedited, just for the record.

dntchaseme · Oct 29, 2005

lol

lolzzz is this joke forum ???
Imran Hashmi

hutcheson · Oct 30, 2005

>I know its very hard to please an editor here than to please god

But the point is, you don't ever have to please an editor. If you're a webmaster, you can do whatever you want, subject only to the laws of your country (and, in the end, the laws of God.) You don't have to do anything to please anyone else.

If you're helping some OTHER person who is the webmaster (as, say, a volunteer helping out at dmoz.org) then you DO have to please the webmaster.

Webmasters have all the power -- on their own websites.

But the flip side of it is, if you AREN'T the webmaster, you have NO power on a website.

I like it. Not being much of a power-freak myself, I'd rather work within a community whose goals overlap with mine. I give up some freedom that way: I don't and can't work at the ODP or CCEL or PG like I would on my own website, I have to do things their way.

On the other hand, I can work with a group of very enthusiastic, congenial, and CURIOUS (in every sense of the word) people: and talk about an opportunity to sip at a fire-hydrant of knowledge!

These groups are, in my experience, extraordinarily open to new members, ideas, experiments. But they tend to be rather closed to suggestions that the community should change its goals.

But that should be no surprise, that's just basic human rationality acting on simple logic. A goal that is not attractive enough to build its own community from nothing, is CERTAINLY not attractive enough to supplant a goal that demonstrably DID build up a community from nothing!

unicode · Nov 15, 2005

- Rejected - Waiting - Accepted -

If it is not possible to check the status of a submission is it possible to check if any editors are reviewing submission for a topic?

If there are no ediors working on a topic, that you have submitted to, then there is there no hope for being added to a topic, other than becoming an editor?

Becoming an edior of a topic you would like to be listed in, seems inappropriate, if the sole motivation for becoming the editor is to add yourown site. I have read the rules on this and I know it is okay. However I would like someone else to add to the topic rather than myself. I would prefer my motivation for becoming an editor not to be rooted in attmpting to add my own site to the dmoz.

Any suggestions?

:icon_ques

bobrat · Nov 15, 2005

If it is not possible to check the status of a submission is it possible to check if any editors are reviewing submission for a topic?

No, sorry - I have no idea which category or sites I will review in the next 24 hours, let alone knowing what other editors are going to do. Sites are not reviewed in any predicatable order.

If there are no ediors working on a topic, that you have submitted to, then there is there no hope for being added to a topic, other than becoming an editor?

Yes, although thousands of sites are added monthly, but it's unpredicatable in which categories. There is no way to force sites in a category to be reviewed.

Becoming an edior of a topic you would like to be listed in, seems inappropriate, if the sole motivation for becoming the editor is to add yourown site.

Very true

disklabs · Nov 16, 2005

hutcheson said:
No, it's highly unlikely that you'd receive rejection email. It's very dangerous for the editor -- this month we have one editor being constantly harassed over a cellphone, and last month another was being physically stalked.

And, from our point of view it is, of course, a waste of time that would be better spent looking for more good sites to list -- it doesn't accomplish anything for us

And even for nearly all webmasters there's really nothing honest it can accomplish for them either (if that mattered, which it really doesn't.

There are many places you can get feedback from a site review. I'd suggest checking some of them out if you're interested. (But if the forum serves your community, it really doesn't matter what someone else thinks anyway, does it?)

If you or your collegues have this happen again, get in touch with me, and I will run the phone through our forensics tools. You should be able to get enough evidence to get a court order against that person.

Simon
Mobilephoneforensics.com

spectregunner · Nov 16, 2005

If there are no ediors working on a topic, that you have submitted to, then there is there no hope for being added to a topic, other than becoming an editor?

While on the surface that makes sense, in reality, itis wildly incorrect.

In a given month, the vast majority of the editors who do the vast majority of the edit, do so in categories where they are NOT the listed editor.

A simple example. If someone is the named editor for Regional/North_America/United_States/California they can edit in any/all of hte thousands of subcategories. If they do 5,000 edits in California, probably fewer than 10 will be in the category where they are the "Named" editor.

That is how the permission system works, and that is why the vast majority of categories will never have a "Named editor" at any given point in time. That is also why most of the whacko conspiracy theories -- a competitor is keeping me out -- are just that, whacko, with no basis in reality.

hutcheson · Nov 16, 2005

Thanks: my understanding is that the editors involved resolved the problems through the local police.

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