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jackmack

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DMOZ warrant any value from search engines? I mean this question in all seriousness and with the utmost respect I can muster. The directory is so old, so out of date, so out of touch, that I don't really understand how or why search engines would grant it any sort of value. I think that because of its design (or the way in which submissions are added) it can never hope to be a viable "open" directory.

If some of the sub-directory categories really do take years to be updated, how can DMOZ be any kind of relevant or accurate reflection of the internet (especially considering the pace at which websites are born, expand, and ultimately die)? One might argue that DMOZ is merely a disconnected sample of the internet, but hardly the stuff of a true directory - it's like a phone book with some phone numbers from the 1930s, some from the 50s, some from the 80s, and any number from the year 2000+ just isn't there. As such, is there really a purpose to attempt to add my website to such a disconnected and out of date directory? To my mind there is not, which begs the fundamental question: why do search engines consider DMOZ more highly than any other directory?

As a web developer, I'm trying to grapple with the concept of submitting my websites (and I have, years ago) to a directory that in all likelihood will never actually index my submission - not because they are of poor quality (my keyword rankings on multiple search engines would suggest otherwise), but because the architecture of this "open directory" isn't conducive to the sheer vastness of the internet itself.

So, I ask again, why do search engines give such credence to the DMOZ directory? Perhaps they don't (which, arguably, is a good thing), in which case I am satisfied. However, experience seems to suggest that they do, considering that every SEO ranking system adds DMOZ to the equation, it is likely that there is some implicit nod that search engines do as well. If so, then DMOZ and its editors are in a unique position of interest (in the eyes of web developers).

History suggests it is never a good idea to invest so much interest (which inevitably translates into power) in the hands of so few - the DMOZ directory and its editors. Not that I think any editor is corrupt, but the fact that they are corruptible (or rather, that the system itself is designed in such a way that it shrouds the entire process) is enough to cast a shadow of doubt over the entire architecture (or the directory as a whole).

However, this post is not meant to be a rant. Rather, I look forward to editors or others to try to justify to me why I should grant DMOZ credence as an "open directory" and why I should take the time to submit my website to a directory (thereby granting DMOZ credibility) that will likely never index my website anyway (years, as a measure of time on the internet, might as well be millennia). I await the discussion...
 

jimnoble

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Why does .. DMOZ warrant any value from search engines?
I have absolutely no idea whether or not it does and, if it does, why. Had you thought of asking the search engines?

You might have misunderstood our objectives and how we operate here. ODP is a volunteer organisation building a directory as a hobby. Editors edit where they wish, when they wish and as much as they wish within the constraints of their permissions. We have no schedules or systems to force people to do work that they don't volunteer to do. ODP is not primarily a free listing service for website owners and it does not attempt to process their listing suggestions within the time scales desired by them.

I only skip read the rest of your post because it seemed to be about our volunteers not working hard enough and not doing what you think they should be doing. That's covered in the para above and in this forum's FAQ.
 

Eric-the-Bun

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I await the discussion...
as jimnoble says, there is nothing to discuss.

It is really a bad question anyway, it would be more productive to think along the lines of "Why does any site warrant any value from search engines?" or even "Why does any site warrant any value from anyone?" which, of course, is totally off topic here.

regards
 

motsa

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I look forward to editors or others to try to justify to me why I should grant DMOZ credence as an "open directory" and why I should take the time to submit my website to a directory (thereby granting DMOZ credibility) that will likely never index my website anyway (years, as a measure of time on the internet, might as well be millennia). I await the discussion...
Why would we have to justify to you why you should suggest your site to the directory? You're an adult. You can make up your own mind about what to do. The directory will continue along whatever that decision is.
 

mollybdenum

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The term "open" is meant to refer to the use of the directory by others, under the license agreement. It does not mean the directory is open for listing all sites nor that it is open to everyone to be listed within.
 

hutcheson

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Given that no editor knows exactly how much weight any search engine gives the ODP, and every editor knows any of them could could increase or decrease that weight any time without consulting any of us, this question reduces not to "how long is a piece of string?" but to "why do venusians all overestimate the length of a puddle?"
 

obxster

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I take your question as a serious question but where ever you have received your eduction concerning DMOZ is the place you need to ask this question. If you do not understand how DMOZ works and why it exists then it might be prudent to read their TOS.
Since this is the only site that using real people to research submissions it's value is impeachable since there are so many ways to scam and deceive search engines.
If it takes a long time as you say (years) then consider joining the site as an editor and help everyone out.
 

jackmack

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Thanks for the replies!

It's really too bad that there couldn't have been a more fruitful discussion here. My goal was not for the editors to justify to me whether DMOZ is valuable, but rather that they might reply to the general question - since it is a question that most webmasters, developers, and SEO experts often ask themselves at one point or another.

While my post was motivated by curiosity in general, it is also somewhat based on my personal experience with DMOZ. Specifically, I find it difficult to reconcile the fact that my authoritative niche web resource (which is not related to web development, and which I won't link here), which holds first page authority on every single search engine, has been in queue for 4 years now. That, to me, is indicative of a system that is fundamentally bankrupted, not because I think my website is special, but because my experience appears to be the norm.

To end on a good note, I would like to thank those who replied for taking time to do so. Contrary to what you might think, I genuinely appreciate the incites, although I had hoped they would be somewhat more substantial.

I also wish to make clear that I had no intention of attacking the editors. If you read my post carefully, I am merely suggesting that the system itself is designed in such a way that corruption is an inevitability. The result of that corruption (or that corruptible system) is that hardworking editors are cast in a poor light.
 
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